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My wife's "appliance" Reliable Purchased a month after the Jeep just in case the Jeep sits in a garage for repairs. So far though JK has been reliable, Worried (just a little) on the decision to order a 19 JLUR w/ 2.0L. But we will see

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Bullet proof 4runners.

https://www.carjojo.com/2017-toyota-4runner-reliability/

Before you start your rebuttal of this site (and the litany linked to it), let me quote the article: "So, I don’t believe the 2017 Toyota 4Runner reliability is a complete mess as those other sites imply, I’m sure it’s a great vehicle and I know people who love theirs."

My point, as was quoted above, is that this appeal to other brands as infallible and jeeps as crap doesn't hold water. All cars have issues. Many are underreported. I specifically didn't cite the 4runner since it has a strong following and many issues are reported. The 4runner is an absolutely excellent truck, and most have no issues. Jeep is in the same boat--it may have a higher failure rate, but it's not as high as some on here suggest, and the major brands, such as Toyota, certainly aren't without faults of their own.
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I advised my wife not to buy our JLUR....telling her that you don't want a first year Chrysler anything. But she was diagnosed with cancer, had no idea if she'd survive and wanted to live life to the fullest with whatever time we were given. We reasoned that if it was a POS, we could always sell it b/c the resale on this vehicle is about the highest you can get on anything out there....and it's the number one selling vehicle in America currently.

We've been lucky so far....nothing major (knocking on wood as I type this), but we do really like it so far.

Hopefully your problem turns out to be minor and you can start enjoying your Jeep soon....but if you decide to....you probably wouldn't lose too much if you traded it in on something else.
When I had cancer I simply went to DisneyWorld with the kids. Wasn't strong enough to buy a Jeep :) Then 19 years later, the results to Chemo exposure I believe, I took the plunge for a JK. Two years later I'm feeling invincible and ordered a JLUR.

PS Good luck on the chemo and radiation. Been there, done that and won...Jeep doesn't scare me...nothing does
 

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Bullet proof 4runners.

https://www.carjojo.com/2017-toyota-4runner-reliability/

Before you start your rebuttal of this site (and the litany linked to it), let me quote the article: "So, I don’t believe the 2017 Toyota 4Runner reliability is a complete mess as those other sites imply, I’m sure it’s a great vehicle and I know people who love theirs."

My point, as was quoted above, is that this appeal to other brands as infallible and jeeps as crap doesn't hold water. All cars have issues. Many are underreported. I specifically didn't cite the 4runner since it has a strong following and many issues are reported. The 4runner is an absolutely excellent truck, and most have no issues. Jeep is in the same boat--it may have a higher failure rate, but it's not as high as some on here suggest, and the major brands, such as Toyota, certainly aren't without faults of their own.

LOL, I read that. I thought it was a joke at first. But seriously I don't worry about getting stranded at the Mall in my 4Runner because the Key-entry fails me. I do worry though that going down the road the weld on my Jeep's JL frame fails. In my dozen + Toyota's I think one of them did have an issue that was not normal maintenance. I can't remember what it was now, that was in 2000. But I didn't order a Jeep to worry about it. I have spare cars and will enjoy my Jeep.....as long as it doesn't kill me

I do feel sorry though for the mental stress some are going through with their JL. Especially if it's their only vehicle and more so if it was a stretch for them to pay $60,000 +/- for a ride that leaves them with frustration
 

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I do feel sorry though for the mental stress some are going through with their JL. Especially if it's their only vehicle and more so if it was a stretch for them to pay $60,000 +/- for a ride that leaves them with frustration
Now that's something we can definitely agree upon. We (society) have been accepting massive spiraling increases in the cost of cars in return for safety, efficiency, and reliability. We can argue all night about what that means, but for a car which is nearly the annual income of the average American, you'd expect issues to be resolved much more completely and cleanly than what we've seen to date.
 

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Now that's something we can definitely agree upon. We (society) have been accepting massive spiraling increases in the cost of cars in return for safety, efficiency, and reliability. We can argue all night about what that means, but for a car which is nearly the annual income of the average American, you'd expect issues to be resolved much more completely and cleanly than what we've seen to date.
Trading my JK for a JL within 2 years of ownership is probably the worst automotive financial mistake I've made (and I've made a lot). But I really want a Rubicon. I hope it's not a mistake, but I know I can live with inconvenience. I know my patience for automotive problems is thin as I've traded off and walked away from a brand for a lot less issues than what some of these people are experiencing.
 

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Trading my JK for a JL within 2 years of ownership is probably the worst automotive financial mistake I've made (and I've made a lot). But I really want a Rubicon. I hope it's not a mistake, but I know I can live with inconvenience. I know my patience for automotive problems is thin as I've traded off and walked away from a brand for a lot less issues than what some of these people are experiencing.
You haven't traded it yet , si ?
 

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When I had cancer I simply went to DisneyWorld with the kids. Wasn't strong enough to buy a Jeep :) Then 19 years later, the results to Chemo exposure I believe, I took the plunge for a JK. Two years later I'm feeling invincible and ordered a JLUR.

PS Good luck on the chemo and radiation. Been there, done that and won...Jeep doesn't scare me...nothing does
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Trading my JK for a JL within 2 years of ownership is probably the worst automotive financial mistake
But if your 2019 is in D1 status , I assume you have not yet traded in your JK , isn't that right ?
 

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My wife's "appliance" Reliable Purchased a month after the Jeep just in case the Jeep sits in a garage for repairs. So far though JK has been reliable, Worried (just a little) on the decision to order a 19 JLUR w/ 2.0L. But we will see

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The JK would go down into the lake for a swim .
 

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But if your 2019 is in D1 status , I assume you have not yet traded in your JK , isn't that right ?
Correct. Though I am driving it only a few miles to keep it under 30,000 miles for the trade
 

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Correct. Though I am driving it only a few miles to keep it under 30,000 miles for the trade
Important : if your steering test drive and weld inspection , before the deal , shows problems with steering or welds , then you could always defer the trade and the deal and keep the JK , si ?

Under 30K miles for a JK is like nothing , really . Dealer will want your JK baaaad .
 

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Important : if your steering test drive and weld inspection , before the deal , shows problems with steering or welds , then you could always defer the trade and the deal and keep the JK , si ?

Under 30K miles for a JK is like nothing , really . Dealer will want your JK baaaad .
I would think that surely they correct known issues before rolling more Jeeps through production....but maybe not. The JK has had no troubles. It's loaded. However I want the new safety features. The new prices are ridiculous. Had a new Rubicon cost $60K when I bought the JK I would have never paid that much for a Jeep. Now that I'm in one though and already have a TRD Pro 4Runner to go with it there really isn't anything else I really want. I went with the Rubicon because I coundn't convince myself to pay that much difference for a Sahara since I already have a nice one. So I went "all in". It's a stupid high price but I've done plenty of stupid things buying cars over the years

As for the weld, it doesn't concern me as long as it doesn't kill me. It can be fixed. If the steering issue is mechanical it can be fixed as well. I'm more concerned about electrical glitches or design issues that can't be fixed (like rain water pouring in your Jeep when you open the doors

I normally do a lot of research, but when I went in to order I decided to go ahead with the turbo. I like my current V6. I didn't realize though that the turbo is a mild hybrid with the battery pack and all the coolant lines running underneath the floor. It's just an extra layer of something to go wrong long term for very little gain. Especially since I also found out it needs premium gas to give the desired mpg's. It should be about an 18 month payback on the cost with the price of gas around here so that's not a bad deal. I just don't know Jeep is capable of making the hybrid reliable
 

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I would think that surely they correct known issues before rolling more Jeeps through production....but maybe not.
As for the weld, it doesn't concern me as long as it doesn't kill me. It can be fixed. If the steering issue is mechanical it can be fixed as well. I'm more concerned about electrical glitches
(1) Likely not , because various fixes for steering issue ;

(2) Steering issue is electrical from what I've read on this forum ; PM @jeremyjeep to verify .
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