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Would anyone towing with the Ready Brute Braking system shed some light on where they drilled through the firewall for the brake cables? I'm almost certain I see a safe location, but some verification would be comforting. A picture perhaps? Thanks.
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I guess you need it explained in ELEMENTARY terms.

For example my 2017 Fleetwood Bounder 35K on the F53 Chassis has a GVWR of 22,000 lbs (that is the max I can load it to which is not hard to do if wet), the GCWR is 26,000 lbs. The Tow rating is 5,000lbs, however there is on only 4,000 lbs between the GVWR and the GCWR. So when the TV is loaded including people gear, tanks you can easily be near at or above the GVWR in that case pretty much all JLU's exceed the two rating of the RV, Those stock tow ratings are a ford rating prior to RV Body and does not take into consideration of RV loading. Another example, of how those tow ratings mean nothing is Thor makes the same floor plan as the Bounder 35K on the exact same chassis although they have only 19" wheels vs the more robust 22" wheels on the Bounder, however the Thor is rated at 8,000 lbs towing, According to the dealers this is only a marketing number as even dry the RV does not have enough GCVW left, in fact even 5000lbs is a stretch for the Thor as well.

The Point is the Published tow rating means absolutely NOTHING as most Gassers after loaded and partially wet with 2-4 people will not have the GCVW left over to legally tow JLU's. When I towed with the Bounder I towed completely dry 1/3 water for emergency, Wranger Fuel less than 1/2 when possible. My Wrangler scaled just over 4900lbs.

You are a fool to think that the GVWR and GCWR are arbitrary numbers and not enforced when needed, or in the event of accidents, While not all vehicles post accident can be weighed many can if it is suspect that there there was loading negligence involved.

There are many factors the Ford f53 Brakes are crap and towing beyond the limits is also stressing them as inertia braking systems only activate in delay and steep down hills that need braking doe speed control inertia brakes have little impact (Sometimes down shifting is not enough when towing a 5000.lb wrangler. Keep in mind my Sahara has 35's and winch and a few other mods. a Rubicon modded can easily be 5500-6500lbs which even exceeds the published hitch ratings.

While I understand those that cannot accept these facts think they are above the law, the Law is starting to crack down. The Salton was a geographical reference I never said it was physically at the lake it was near the lake you are simply splitting hairs.

As for the Maximus I think it is a great tow bar connection I am only suggesting the safety chains be located on a separate piece of metal. I would not expect the Maximus or mist tow plates to failed under normal towing but you in the event of an accident then it is stressed it is intended to keep the toad connected to the TV. Most Tow Bar incidents are likely during accidents.

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Thank you for explaining what I already knew. Why is it that you assume no one is as smart as you? (and heaven forbid, someone might be smarter than you!)

Interesting that your GCWR and GVWR only differ by 4K lbs, while the tow rating is 5K lbs.

I do have vehemently disagree with your comment on the tow rating on some Thor you refer to as being only for marketing (as you say a dealer claims) - that is totally wrong and if Thor knew who the dealer was, they would be called out on that. Thor published tow ratings are not anecdotal, and there are laws regarding that, and if found to be incorrect, NHTSA will get involved if they know of it. But since I have heard in all my years dealers saying just about anything, I can't dispute you were told this. But if you're as smart as you claim you are, you'd know that comment was not true...

I had a Bounder once - I bought it after a series of Class C's that had essentially no capacity after you filled the water tank and put a few beers in the refer - the Bounder had nearly 4K carrying capacity, so I'm surprised to hear they no longer do (and that was before the hitch and tow rating amounts). But each year they stuff more and more things in coaches, so I suppose it's possible.

Why is it that you assume those who cannot accept what you say think they're above the law? Are you one of those know-it-all's who believes that if someone doesn't believe as you, they are unequivocally wrong? There is room for divergent thought or opinion on this planet...(and FWIW - there is no weigh station anywhere near the Salton Sea...look it up)

Lastly, I am aware of few towing failures, but the most recent one (with a friend) was when poor welds failed on a Blue Ox bar - the bar itself failed. And the towed vehicle was WAY under the 10K rating. I don't know of any failures during an accident - but I'm sure they do occur. I just know of more failures not in an accident...
 

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Would anyone towing with the Ready Brute Braking system shed some light on where they drilled through the firewall for the brake cables? I'm almost certain I see a safe location, but some verification would be comforting. A picture perhaps? Thanks.
I just Installed mine on 2020 Wrangler diesel. I drilled right in front of the break pedal per instructions. There is nothing there to damage by drilling. Drilling through the front steel bumper was more tricky.
 

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I just Installed mine on 2020 Wrangler diesel. I drilled right in front of the break pedal per instructions. There is nothing there to damage by drilling. Drilling through the front steel bumper was more tricky.
Thanks! I got mine done today too. As you said, pretty decent area to drill and not hit anything important. I’ll do my test towing tomorrow.
 

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Thanks! I got mine done today too. As you said, pretty decent area to drill and not hit anything important. I’ll do my test towing tomorrow.
Post some pics. I’d like to see where you drilled. Thx
 

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Post some pics. I’d like to see where you drilled. Thx
Not great pictures, but hope they help. There are two holes. The one to the left is the breakaway cable. The silver one an inch to the right is for the braking cable. Nothing is tightened down or trimmed in this picture. I'm thinking the bracket is going to slide up the brake peddle arm by about an inch to get past the awkward bend.

In the bumper photo, you can see I put the brake cable right in the center and the breakaway cable towards the driver's side tow bracket, per instructions.

Be careful drilling the firewall any higher or further towards the accelerator than I did. There are some things you wouldn't want to hit. To the left a hair wouldn't be a bad idea.

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Would love to see suggestions on lighting that avoids tapping into the Wrangler's lighting system. I'd like to find a light set up that I can wire to the motorhome 7 pin that will give me brake, running, and turn signals. Looked at a couple that require a magnet mount but I'd like something permanently installed that doesn't look odd. Like a slimline LED that runs across the rear similar to the type some install under the tailgate of a pickup.
 

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Would love to see suggestions on lighting that avoids tapping into the Wrangler's lighting system. I'd like to find a light set up that I can wire to the motorhome 7 pin that will give me brake, running, and turn signals. Looked at a couple that require a magnet mount but I'd like something permanently installed that doesn't look odd. Like a slimline LED that runs across the rear similar to the type some install under the tailgate of a pickup.
On both of our JKs I used a harness that had its own separate bulb sockets that were installed inside the OEM housings. There was no interconnection with the Jeep whatsoever. I got them from REMCO but I suspect they're available elsewhere, or you could make your own. What I don't know is if there's space inside the JL housing.

On the JL I used the Cooltech harness that does tie into the Jeep harness. I found it to be a straight forward install. There are U-Tube videos showing the process.
 

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Would love to see suggestions on lighting that avoids tapping into the Wrangler's lighting system. I'd like to find a light set up that I can wire to the motorhome 7 pin that will give me brake, running, and turn signals. Looked at a couple that require a magnet mount but I'd like something permanently installed that doesn't look odd. Like a slimline LED that runs across the rear similar to the type some install under the tailgate of a pickup.
I know what you are saying, but just to be clear, with our Cool Tech harness, you are not "tapping" into the Jeep's harness with error-prone tap-in splices. Rather, we have you locate the wire supplying power to the rear light that traverses from the front of the Jeep to the rear. We have you cut this wire. Now you have two "ends". One end to the light, and another from the 12v source. You strip each end and crimp into our harness using pre-installed heat-shrink butt connectors. These are the same butt connectors that the OEM would specify to make repairs. After crimping, use a heat gun (or hair dryer) to shrink the protective sleeve and activate the glue. This is now an air-tight, completely waterproof connection..... that is additionally protected because it is on the inside of the Jeep, not the outside. Repeat process for 3 additional wires and you are done.

I know you are looking for a completely independent solution.... but our harness will easily last the lifetime of the Jeep - and there are a few hundred Jeeps that already have this solution.
 

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I know what you are saying, but just to be clear, with our Cool Tech harness, you are not "tapping" into the Jeep's harness with error-prone tap-in splices. Rather, we have you locate the wire supplying power to the rear light that traverses from the front of the Jeep to the rear. We have you cut this wire. Now you have two "ends". One end to the light, and another from the 12v source. You strip each end and crimp into our harness using pre-installed heat-shrink butt connectors. These are the same butt connectors that the OEM would specify to make repairs. After crimping, use a heat gun (or hair dryer) to shrink the protective sleeve and activate the glue. This is now an air-tight, completely waterproof connection..... that is additionally protected because it is on the inside of the Jeep, not the outside. Repeat process for 3 additional wires and you are done.

I know you are looking for a completely independent solution.... but our harness will easily last the lifetime of the Jeep - and there are a few hundred Jeeps that already have this solution.
I was trying to avoid that but I'll take a look at what you guys offer. I've seen the FCA harness and installation looks intensive. I read that it requires a flash of the computer afterwards. at the dealer. Plus the cost....
 

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Neither the OEM solution nor the CoolTech solution require a trip to the dealer to make things work. The OEM solution requires that you disassemble and reassemble the interior of the passenger side of the vehicle, the CoolTech solution requires you to splice into the factory harness and wire in their system. Both are straight forward and your choice should be based on your comfort level of the work. Neither solution will address the addition of adding a braking system to meet state(s) braking requirements.
 

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Neither the OEM solution nor the CoolTech solution require a trip to the dealer to make things work. The OEM solution requires that you disassemble and reassemble the interior of the passenger side of the vehicle, the CoolTech solution requires you to splice into the factory harness and wire in their system. Both are straight forward and your choice should be based on your comfort level of the work. Neither solution will address the addition of adding a braking system to meet state(s) braking requirements.
The issue was about lighting, not about a braking system. I was just trying to avoid cutting and splicing wires. It's not an issue of comfort. I have no issues doing the job I am just hesitant to start cutting wires and such in my new Jeep if there is an option that doesn't require that and costs less. Just looking for options.
 

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Not great pictures, but hope they help. There are two holes. The one to the left is the breakaway cable. The silver one an inch to the right is for the braking cable. Nothing is tightened down or trimmed in this picture. I'm thinking the bracket is going to slide up the brake peddle arm by about an inch to get past the awkward bend.

In the bumper photo, you can see I put the brake cable right in the center and the breakaway cable towards the driver's side tow bracket, per instructions.

Be careful drilling the firewall any higher or further towards the accelerator than I did. There are some things you wouldn't want to hit. To the left a hair wouldn't be a bad idea.

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How many times have you towed the jeep so far? Has the brake cable cut through the plastic fitting in the bumper yet? Mounted below the level of the tow bar and angled down I don't see how it would not.
 

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The issue was about lighting, not about a braking system. I was just trying to avoid cutting and splicing wires. It's not an issue of comfort. I have no issues doing the job I am just hesitant to start cutting wires and such in my new Jeep if there is an option that doesn't require that and costs less. Just looking for options.
I will admit I was hesitant to cut and splice on my new JL as well, then I remembered I did the "cooltech" thing on my CJ 5 about 25 years ago. Maybe they stole my idea lol. Of course it was much simpler, I think there were only 4 wires on the right side of the tub going to the back. Cut the wires added terminals and mounted the 4 pole double throw switch right there in the footwell.

So I did my own "cooltech" harness on my new JLUR, and it is really pretty simple and you can customize it to your liking.

Makes no sense to me to run another complete harness from the front bumper to the left rear taillight to accomplish the same thing.

My DIY installation has been tested and works great, have not towed it anywhere yet. So while waiting to be set free I thought I would make it even better. Plan to replace the switch with a relay so it automatically switches to the tow mode when connected to the RV, which is the only redeeming feature of the OEM harness.

Note to CoolTech if you use my relay idea I want compensation.
 
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Note to CoolTech if you use my relay idea I want compensation.
I hear you! I'm still trying to convince Ebay that this sell-by-owner concept was my idea first!

The idea of automatic switching is admittedly interesting but in execution it is in contrast to the "elegantly simple" concept of the manual switch within the kit.

A few folks have asked about the consequences of having the switch in the wrong position and I wanted to elaborate on that. When you are connecting the Jeep to be towed, there are obviously numerous steps involved - the physical as well as the electrical connections. I would hope that it is the practice of most owners to make a simple test of their lights when they first connect. This test can validate that the connector on the tow vehicle is working, the umbilical cord is working and connected properly, the connector at the Jeep is working and, yes, in our case, the the switch is set to the TOW position. In brief, if you don't place the switch into the tow position, nothing "bad" happens, but the Jeep's lights will not be controlled by the tow vehicle.

But, what about the other scenario? What if you disconnect from the tow vehicle and you have forgotten to place the switch back into the "Jeep" and your start driving? The Jeep electronics have really helped us out here! Remember that our harness provides 100% physical isolation between the Jeep electronics and the tow vehicle. If the switch is accidentally in the "TOW" position, the rear lights are ONLY connected to the tow harness and the Jeep wiring normally connected to the lights is connected to absolutely nothing (100% physical isolation). Well, when you start driving the Jeep you won't get far before the Jeep realizes that there is simply no resistance at all on the tail light wires. But the good news is that this is a natural condition. It is EXACTLY what happens when the filament of a light bulb goes our (or the LED light goes bad). CHIME! the Jeep will display a message on the dash. "Tail light is out". This is when you pause for a second, and then slap your forehead when you realize you forgot to put the switch back into "JEEP" mode. As soon as you do this, the real lights are once again EXCLUSIVELY connected to the Jeep.... and all is good.

In summary, when using ANY harness, please add "check lights" to your pre-flight check list. If you do this, life is good. Whether you check the Jeep's lights or not after disconnecting - it's going to tell you in short order if you've forgotten about the switch.
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