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Careful what you wish for.

So many vehicles today are going for only buttons in the touchscreen/software.
And that is completely irrational, unnecessary, illogical, dangerous and insane. WHY???
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Careful what you wish for.

So many vehicles today are going for only buttons in the touchscreen/software.
Yeah, I wasn't at all wishing for touchscreen-only controls, just a safer and more logical layout of the physical heat/AC/defrost controls (preferably using a multi-function knob to replace the temp buttons, with split inner buttons for auto and to cycle vent modes, and then remaining AC/defrost/recirc buttons immediately beside it).

Having 14 non-tactile HVAC buttons, while wasting 2 rotary knobs for the radio is just asinine and dangerous imo (and 100% touchscreen would be infinitely worse). Drivers should not have to take their eyes off the road to figure out how to turn the temperature up or down.
 

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Yeah, I wasn't at all wishing for touchscreen-only controls, just a safer and more logical layout of the physical heat/AC/defrost controls (preferably using a multi-function knob to replace the temp buttons, with split inner buttons for auto and to cycle vent modes, and then remaining AC/defrost/recirc buttons immediately beside it).

Having 14 non-tactile HVAC buttons, while wasting 2 rotary knobs for the radio is just asinine and dangerous imo (and 100% touchscreen would be infinitely worse). Drivers should not have to take their eyes off the road to figure out how to turn the temperature up or down.
I would just LOVE to have some egghead, divorced-from-reality engineer responsible for those climate controls try to tell me why putting them onto scattered buttons and/or into a touchscreen, instead of the simple, intuitive arrangement of them on knobs that has been used totally successfully in vehicles for literally decades, is somehow "better".
 

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Why is that? I have the 2020 JLUS no power windows/doors and sometimes I wish they had power so I donā€™t have to turn around in my seat while going 80mph just to roll them all down.:CWL:

Not trying to criticize just trying to find a way to see something good about mine having no power..or anything elseā€¦

sidenote I was quoted $7,000 to put in the Metalcloak 2.5ā€ gamechanger lift..
I think it takes just as long to use the "button" to roll the windows down and although it's in a very logical place (since the doors come off), it isn't intuitive. I don't find having electric windows to be a benefit in any way. I have a two-door though, so I don't have to worry about rear windows. I'd rather have manual windows and locks because I think they are less apt to fail.
 

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I think it takes just as long to use the "button" to roll the windows down and although it's in a very logical place (since the doors come off), it isn't intuitive. I don't find having electric windows to be a benefit in any way. I have a two-door though, so I don't have to worry about rear windows. I'd rather have manual windows and locks because I think they are less apt to fail.
My thinking on power windows and locks is the same as yours, Aces. I have only the manual locks and windows in my 2022 Willys Sport, and purposely wanted it that way (and was happy to find that I could still order a Jeep in 2022 that way!).

One big advantage of manual windows over power windows, at least in my climate, is that it takes VERY little ice to freeze a power window shut, with no good or easy way to de-ice it. Whereas with the manual windows (which I also have on my current 1996 Ram pickup), I find I can almost always just 'jerk' the windows open, as long as they are not too radically frozen up.
 

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I wrestle with my (electric) Super Duty windows every winter. The passenger side regulator failed a couple years ago and I haven't replaced it.
 

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I can't imagine buying another wrangler without - Cold Weather Package

I don't see myself buying a wrangler that has - Advanced safety package
 

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My thinking on power windows and locks is the same as yours, Aces. I have only the manual locks and windows in my 2022 Willys Sport, and purposely wanted it that way (and was happy to find that I could still order a Jeep in 2022 that way!).

One big advantage of manual windows over power windows, at least in my climate, is that it takes VERY little ice to freeze a power window shut, with no good or easy way to de-ice it. Whereas with the manual windows (which I also have on my current 1996 Ram pickup), I find I can almost always just 'jerk' the windows open, as long as they are not too radically frozen up.
Physical labor is something you enjoy? Cavemen.

You get less weight with manual operation too. There is a GVWR - power regulator & lock solenoid = extra cans of beer in cooler calculation somewhere in this decision I bet.

Those of us who are more refined wrestle around with something heavier when we want to cruise around town naked. At least, we are working out more than just our egos, you Neanderthals.

Also, no worries with electronics damage from water intrusion. Still Neanderthals, but you get plus one here.

As for you people that don't appreciate painted fenders, you must not have gone through the dreaded time spent bringing sun faded grey fenders Back to Black yet. You poor unfortunate souls.

Don't even get me started on paint matched tops. What were you people thinking? I'll leave you soft top people alone, for you just didn't know any better. Paint matched, though... really? Not true Jeepers! Change my mind.
 

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Hmm. That's a tough one. A week ago, I would have said I was glad I didn't opt for the Adaptive Cruise Control on the Advanced Safety Group... then I drove my wife's Compass this past weekend with Adaptive Cruise Control. Now, I'm deeply regretting not getting it on my Wrangler. It worked remarkably well.

I think I'm glad I didn't opt for the hard top, but we'll see. I've never owned a soft-top vehicle before. When I blow out a side panel doing 80 on the highway I might retract that statement. :)
That's funny.. my wife drives a Compass too.. 2022 Compass Trailhawk.. and it has adaptive cruise too.. worked nice when we drove up north.. wish my wrangler had it too..
 

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I checked pretty much everything except the automatic transmission and the black grille. Even got the Gorilla Glass for $295, but probably should have left that off.
 

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haha +1 !

also glad I didnā€™t order the upgraded radio and 8.4ā€ screen because it became standard for Rubicons in between my order in Oct ā€˜21 and when they built my ā€˜22, delivered in January.

So there was no charge for it. Maybe they refund the option charge for things like that?
 

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Hmm. That's a tough one. A week ago, I would have said I was glad I didn't opt for the Adaptive Cruise Control on the Advanced Safety Group... then I drove my wife's Compass this past weekend with Adaptive Cruise Control. Now, I'm deeply regretting not getting it on my Wrangler. It worked remarkably well.

I think I'm glad I didn't opt for the hard top, but we'll see. I've never owned a soft-top vehicle before. When I blow out a side panel doing 80 on the highway I might retract that statement. :)
We optioned the adaptive cruise when we bought our Durango and Iā€™ll tell you that I wouldnā€™t want to own a vehicle without it if given the choice.
 

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I think the only thing I didn't opt for on my Sahara Altitude* was the LED headlights. I don't drive at night much, and had seen that I could do it myself easily and for less anyways.

I *love* the Adaptive Cruise, once you get the feel for it. It actually forces me to be a [slightly] safer driver, as it doesn't handle quick changes very well - takes a second for it to recognize stuff. My only real complaint is that it doesn't have a gradual speed up/down. If I'm going 50 but have it set on 75, it'll floor it as soon as the lane opens up in front of me. Conversely, if I'm going 75 and there's traffic ahead, it doesn't start slowing down until it hits the distance setting (which I keep on the lowest), so it usually *slams* on the brakes. Once you learn that it's going to do that, it's easy to plan accordingly.

The "option" that I'm glad I didn't choose was going Rubicon. My Sahara has everything I really want/need, and having a Rubicon would either have been a complete waste of money, or it would have likely given me a false sense of security off-road and I'm likely to have broken something by now. The Sahara gives me what I need but also keeps me cautious.

*Yes, it's a 4-door, but this is a good conversation and no reason for it to be limited to just 2-doors.
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