Best CAI?

[kimmonia]

Looking for more reviews instead of flaming wars

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[mpk1970]

Pretty good deal going on for the with Quadratec
Volant 177366 Powercore Cold Air Intake

https://www.quadratec.com/p/volant/powercore-cold-air-intake-jeep-wrangler-jl-36l-v6

Cost is $349.00 with forum discount it was $315 for me.
Then Volant offering $50 rebate- $265.00 out the door good deal

 

[@minutemen]

Bought an aFe momentum with the dry filter during their summer sale. I like how its dyno chart consistently reads 12 ft lb of extra torque over the power band.

Will have a few bourbons and provide a brutally honest review after install. My butt dyno should be able to register 12 ft lbs. Inshalla.

I usually find these the most accurate

 

[Billyraff]

Bought an aFe momentum with the dry filter during their summer sale. I like how its dyno chart consistently reads 12 ft lb of extra torque over the power band.

Will have a few bourbons and provide a brutally honest review after install. My butt dyno should be able to register 12 ft lbs. Inshalla.

you will love it, i love mine.

 

[rid34fun]

I have a manual, and this dang jeep jl is so quiet I can actually jear myself think(as scary as that is), but I cannot hear nor feal the engine. Im impressed, but would like a litte engine feedback for shifting. A CAI would be just the ticket, and if I got a little better mileage or torque once in a while with no detrimental side effects, I would take one

 

[Schism75]

I have a manual, and this dang jeep jl is so quiet I can actually jear myself think(as scary as that is), but I cannot hear nor feal the engine. Im impressed, but would like a litte engine feedback for shifting. A CAI would be just the ticket, and if I got a little better mileage or torque once in a while with no detrimental side effects, I would take one

Like I mentioned above, I bought a CAI to hear my shift points. This definitely resolved that and as you say, it’s hard to hear the motor stock because it’s so damn quiet. I haven’t felt or seen any gains in my opinion ,but that’s just an opinion and I don’t have data to back it. I love the sound ! I feel like a reckless teenager when I whined it out,lol.

 

[blue_meany]

This is a huge point that's usually ignored.
Engineering today is lightyears over just 10-15 years ago. I was looking at the exhaust on my 2.0t, and it looks like aftermarket exhausts I used to install in the early-mid 2000s. minimal bends, and they looked mandrel not crush.

There was another post about feeling the torque gains, this is hard to verify since the sound is so much more aggressive. I've gone modded to stock a number of times and felt as fast or faster after going back to stock haha. There will be a big placebo effect due to the sound and the fact that the owner just dropped $200-$400 on the intake.

In all my years of modding cars, the only thing that made a real noticeable difference was an engine swap and forced induction. If you want power on the 2.0t, save your money for a tune that bumps up boost. Or get that Hemi swap!

Pretty sure this guy is just trolling. It's almost impossible to believe that someone is this hard up over CAI on a naturally aspirated engine. Intakes on specific turbo applications can free up some power, but they're mostly just used for a cool "whoosh" sound nowadays.

 

[VNT]

Pretty good deal going on for the with Quadratec
Volant 177366 Powercore Cold Air Intake

https://www.quadratec.com/p/volant/powercore-cold-air-intake-jeep-wrangler-jl-36l-v6

Cost is $349.00 with forum discount it was $315 for me.
Then Volant offering $50 rebate- $265.00 out the door good deal

This is the one to get, for the better filtration, the nano fiber Donaldson media used in the filter, widely used in construction equipment, plus it sounds awesome !

how does one get a forum discount at quadratec, how much as a %. 10%??

 

[WXman]

Well, this thread went to hell in a wicker basket quickly. Lol.

Looks like a few folks need to read up on how what the stoichiometric ratio is, how modern engines run, and what adaptive engine management will do.

"Up to 12 horsepower" does not mean that it makes 12 horsepower at some point. It means that the engine will make somewhere between 0 and 12 additional horsepower. Could be 1, could be 10.

The dyno chart from AFE on the prior page was showing an intake AND exhaust. So that really tiny 5 horsepower gain wasn't all from the CAI.

Nobody here can detect 12 lb/ft of torque in the seat of the pants. Ain't happenin'. Don't care what you say. You can't tell it.

Most of the TINY gains are at 5,500 RPM. How often do you cruise at 5,500 RPM?

C'mon guys...this isn't rocket surgery. Ever heard of marketing? They can't put "almost no power gain and zero fuel savings!!" on the box and sell these plastic tubes at 390% mark-up. It doesn't work that way. They have to stretch the truth and tell you what you want to hear to sell them.

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics."

 

[Chipe]

Well, this thread went to hell in a wicker basket quickly. Lol.

Looks like a few folks need to read up on how what the stoichiometric ratio is, how modern engines run, and what adaptive engine management will do.

"Up to 12 horsepower" does not mean that it makes 12 horsepower at some point. It means that the engine will make somewhere between 0 and 12 additional horsepower. Could be 1, could be 10.

The dyno chart from AFE on the prior page was showing an intake AND exhaust. So that really tiny 5 horsepower gain wasn't all from the CAI.

Nobody here can detect 12 lb/ft of torque in the seat of the pants. Ain't happenin'. Don't care what you say. You can't tell it.

Most of the TINY gains are at 5,500 RPM. How often do you cruise at 5,500 RPM?

C'mon guys...this isn't rocket surgery. Ever heard of marketing? They can't put "almost no power gain and zero fuel savings!!" on the box and sell these plastic tubes at 390% mark-up. It doesn't work that way. They have to stretch the truth and tell you what you want to hear to sell them.

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics."

This reminds me of the bar "joke" that can make you a lot of money. After you and your friends belt a few down, bet them all you can do between 4 and 500 pushups in 2 minutes or less. Have them put the cash on the bar. After they do, do about 7 pushups, get up, grab the money, and tell them at 7 is between 4 and 500. Then run.

 

[VNT]

Didnt claim any HP gains, wanted the power core filter for better filtration.

http://donaldson.com.tr/uploads/products/30842.pdf

 

[AnnDee4444]

Nobody here can detect 12 lb/ft of torque in the seat of the pants. Ain't happenin'. Don't care what you say. You can't tell it.

You know how cars feel slower on a hot day? How much power do you think that is?

I can take a guess. According to the SAE J1349 standard, a 110° day (with standard pressure & humidity) would rate horsepower at 96.5%, which would put the 3.6 at 275 HP. Assuming redline, this would be equal to a loss of roughly 8 ft. lbs. of torque.

Obviously there is more to it than that, mostly the fuel injection & ignition timing adjustments due to the increased intake temperatures. If only there was a way to keep the intake colder...

 

[blue_meany]

You know how cars feel slower on a hot day? How much power do you think that is?

I can take a guess. According to the SAE J1349 standard, a 110° day (with standard pressure & humidity) would rate horsepower at 96.5%, which would put the 3.6 at 275 HP. Assuming redline, this would be equal to a loss of roughly 8 ft. lbs. of torque.

Obviously there is more to it than that, mostly the fuel injection & ignition timing adjustments due to the increased intake temperatures. If only there was a way to keep the intake colder...

There isn't a way realistically. A CAI is more effective by increasing the volume of air rather than providing cooler air.

 

[AnnDee4444]

There isn't a way realistically. A CAI is more effective by increasing the volume of air rather than providing cooler air.

Without 3rd party testing, who knows. I highly doubt that some of these aftermarket intakes do as they claim. I'm just intrigued that a cold air intake might not actually make the air colder.

 

[VNT]

cant you just display the intake air temp, could do back to back stock vs the CAI.

Note memory fuzzy on the Jeep, it is my wifes and dont recall if the intake air temp is on the off road guages or display. on my SRT you cna pull it up and with my Volant, get a solid 5 degree drop with the Volant, pulls more air from the headlamp( it is hollow) lower cowl area vs the stock. Of course i bought it for the power core filter.

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