"Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!...You know when fluoridation began?...1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works."Meanwhile we are still allowing fluoride to be put in our drinking water???
I thought it was very odd too... I wonder the reason... I have a 2008 v6 250k miles town and country "with" lifetime and a RAM 2006 120k cummins without (not offered) and now a JL v6 with a lifetime.. make no sense to me at all... maybe it has to do with the known cost to repair a diesel.. v6's are more commodity type engines thus cheaper is the only thing I can think of.. none of them have had any engine trouble, not even an oil leak... just change the oil every 5k and they all just work... no drama... now all the other parts, well that is where the warranty has lots of value... im looking forward to test driving the diesel some day... but I would be very surprised if it worked better than the 3.6, it certainly has won my favor so far, nice a linear power curve and revs to the moon.. and when it is unloaded it is darn right quick as hell...No lifetime warranty and that gives me pause.
I have had many diesels.. I will be surprised even at 10k if the 3.0 will be quicker than a 3.6 (unloaded), now the 2.0 will certainly be quicker, but the key for me is a smooth linear torque curve, which translate to great control and instant response off road.Except at 10,000 ASL and that’s why I can’t wait for the diesel turbo
Is this a joke? We’re talking about 260lb-ft of torque at 4400rpm in the 3.6 and 480lb-ft of torque at 1600rpm in the 3.0. Name any odds and any wager, if you think the 3.6 stands a chance at any altitude.I have had many diesels.. I will be surprised even at 10k if the 3.0 will be quicker than a 3.6 (unloaded), now the 2.0 will certainly be quicker, but the key for me is a smooth linear torque curve, which translate to great control and instant response off road.
yes, in an acceleration test.. "horse power", is king in acceleration. I could be wrong, but like I said I would be surprised. Time will tell...Is this a joke? We’re talking about 260lb-ft of torque at 4400rpm in the 3.6 and 480lb-ft of torque at 1600rpm in the 3.0. Name any odds and any wager, if you think the 3.6 stands a chance at any altitude.
Naturally aspirated: ~3% power loss/1,000 feet
Turbo / Diesel Turbo: ~1.5% power loss/1,000 feet
10k feet... 30% power reduction or 15% power reduction.
It's noticeable even before you consider the near 2x stock torque....
Edit to add: To an extent you're correct.... if you're running stock/unloaded at 10k you're likely fine. This however is not how I enter the mountains. Bumpers, armor, 35s, RTT, kids, multiday gear, food, etc... you get the point. I will - and do in my 4R - notice naturally aspirated power loss. And I can't stand it.
You do know what it will bring because the engine specs have been confirmed and the transmission will be the same 8spd auto. Torque decides acceleration off the line and HP doesn’t take over until beyond 60mph in most races.yes, in an acceleration test.. "horse power", is king in acceleration. I could be wrong, but like I said I would be surprised. Time will tell...
in a RAM its 10.3 0 60 time https://binged.it/2KrA0w1 that's pretty slow and the 3.0 weighs 150ilbs more than the 3.6.. https://www.allpar.com/mopar/V6/PUG-2015.php
Also notice the shift points are at 4k… I really like the range of the 3.6 (1k-6500k) and with the eight speed its a great combo..
My jeep today on a bad day is 7sec 0-60 unloaded, completely stock at sea level where I live, but up in sierras (7k) I did not notice too much difference..
I look forward to test drive, if there is that much improvement in acceleration, I will swap.. but I really think the only real advantage will be MPG.. Today when I am towing a max loads (3500lbs trailer, with 5 people and their gear) the 3.6 handles the grapevine at 70mph in 6 sixth gear with no issues and stays cool, even when its 100+ outside.
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to dis the 3.0, I am just sharing my experiences and I do not know what the 3.0 will bring and I look forward to learning more from this forum and your experiences too..
Thanks for your comments!