unixfool
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I'm pretty sure Jeep has tested these over rocks, water, and other obstacles. As issues arise, I'm pretty sure they investigate and remedy those issues. The fan base is large enough to where any issues not chased down and remedied will negatively impact Jeep's bottom line (which is money).
The ESS is new tech for Jeep? Or just new for Wranglers? Probably the latter. The 2.0L is a variant of the 2.0L Guilia powerplant and that vehicle has ESS. Granted, the Guilia is no Wrangler (and the Wrangler is no Guilia). The 2.0L with ESS/BSG has to be rugged enough to handle off-roading. It just has to be proven. That's going to take time and willingness. No one likes being beta testers, but that's exactly what happened when Jeep killed the 4.0L and other engines following the I-6. This is no different.
I've the 2.0L engine. I had no issue in choosing that engine. Someone up above thinks the difference in torque between the 2.0L and the 3.6L is small. It is not (and I'm not talking about peak torque, either). Here's the thread in this forum that already explains it. I flat-out chose this engine because it's the stronger of the two. The V6 is more refined and probably is less stressed, but my experience in test driving was that the V6 was the wallflower when comparing the two, and I didn't care for the shifter and clutch feel, either (this may not be a fair comparison since I've been driving a close-ratio 6-sp the past 7 years with a short throw clutch petal).
I've no issue spending money on premium fuel (I'm coming from an STI and prior to that a Ram with 5.7L).
I've no issue with it's towing capability. I won't be towing much (maybe my motorcycle on a trailer...the cycle is an SV1000S, not a small nor large bike).
Several complained about the 8-sp hunting for gears when mated to the 2.0L. I haven't seen that. I've heard of one example where someone experienced hunting while going up a steep grade...I'm certain that was something that could've been mitigated by manual shifting.
Reliability-wise, I've a warranty. They'll fix the issues. If it ends up that the Jeep stays in the shop more than in my driveway, it will be sold (and Jeep will hear about it). I do need dependability (this is my daily) but it has to be proven that this engine and it's tech isn't dependable. That hasn't happened yet and I'm a wait-and-see type of person.
For those that disdain the ESS technology and are trying to avoid it by going with the 3.6, frankly, you're on borrowed time. Eventually, all the engines will have it. It will not be an option. Because of that, Jeep has no choice but to support and mature the technology to the point where there won't be any issues no matter where your Jeep is (in the woods, in the mountains, in the mud, in the water, or in the desert). There will be growing pains, no doubt, but it's not going to be all FUDD-like. I imagine every major leap in technology has older Jeep owners doing the hem-haw. This will be no different.
These are just my thoughts. I'm 50 yrs old and won't say I know my way around every vehicle, but Wranglers aren't so different than other genres of cars. People don't like change but change usually happens regardless of those feelings. Everyone has a threshold and some people may buy the 2.0L and have their bubbles popped. It may happen to me as well. I'll deal with it when/if it comes. Until then, I'm going to try to enjoy what I have and give Jeep a chance to sort issues out. Life is too short to worry about things that haven't happened.
The ESS is new tech for Jeep? Or just new for Wranglers? Probably the latter. The 2.0L is a variant of the 2.0L Guilia powerplant and that vehicle has ESS. Granted, the Guilia is no Wrangler (and the Wrangler is no Guilia). The 2.0L with ESS/BSG has to be rugged enough to handle off-roading. It just has to be proven. That's going to take time and willingness. No one likes being beta testers, but that's exactly what happened when Jeep killed the 4.0L and other engines following the I-6. This is no different.
I've the 2.0L engine. I had no issue in choosing that engine. Someone up above thinks the difference in torque between the 2.0L and the 3.6L is small. It is not (and I'm not talking about peak torque, either). Here's the thread in this forum that already explains it. I flat-out chose this engine because it's the stronger of the two. The V6 is more refined and probably is less stressed, but my experience in test driving was that the V6 was the wallflower when comparing the two, and I didn't care for the shifter and clutch feel, either (this may not be a fair comparison since I've been driving a close-ratio 6-sp the past 7 years with a short throw clutch petal).
I've no issue spending money on premium fuel (I'm coming from an STI and prior to that a Ram with 5.7L).
I've no issue with it's towing capability. I won't be towing much (maybe my motorcycle on a trailer...the cycle is an SV1000S, not a small nor large bike).
Several complained about the 8-sp hunting for gears when mated to the 2.0L. I haven't seen that. I've heard of one example where someone experienced hunting while going up a steep grade...I'm certain that was something that could've been mitigated by manual shifting.
Reliability-wise, I've a warranty. They'll fix the issues. If it ends up that the Jeep stays in the shop more than in my driveway, it will be sold (and Jeep will hear about it). I do need dependability (this is my daily) but it has to be proven that this engine and it's tech isn't dependable. That hasn't happened yet and I'm a wait-and-see type of person.
For those that disdain the ESS technology and are trying to avoid it by going with the 3.6, frankly, you're on borrowed time. Eventually, all the engines will have it. It will not be an option. Because of that, Jeep has no choice but to support and mature the technology to the point where there won't be any issues no matter where your Jeep is (in the woods, in the mountains, in the mud, in the water, or in the desert). There will be growing pains, no doubt, but it's not going to be all FUDD-like. I imagine every major leap in technology has older Jeep owners doing the hem-haw. This will be no different.
These are just my thoughts. I'm 50 yrs old and won't say I know my way around every vehicle, but Wranglers aren't so different than other genres of cars. People don't like change but change usually happens regardless of those feelings. Everyone has a threshold and some people may buy the 2.0L and have their bubbles popped. It may happen to me as well. I'll deal with it when/if it comes. Until then, I'm going to try to enjoy what I have and give Jeep a chance to sort issues out. Life is too short to worry about things that haven't happened.
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