Anybody in Europe/UK pursued this? (TSB 08-074-20 (for "Improved Steering Feel"))

[lohr500]

Scratching my head a bit with his explanation. Surely the outer nut is just a locking nut to stop the inner hex adjuster coming loose? So the play would be taken up by winding in the hex adjuster and then the locking hut would be retightened. Unless I am missing something, shouldn't the locking nut end up in the same position if it is retightened to the same torque as was used previously?
I suspect he has been a bit heavy handed with the 1/2 inch drive and 15mm socket.

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[jr-323i]

Scratching my head a bit with his explanation. Surely the outer nut is just a locking nut to stop the inner hex adjuster coming loose? So the play would be taken up by winding in the hex adjuster and then the locking hut would be retightened. Unless I am missing something, shouldn't the locking nut end up in the same position if it is retightened to the same torque as was used previously?
I suspect he has been a bit heavy handed with the 1/2 inch drive and 15mm socket.

You need to watch the video a couple of times on a LARGE screen
The locking nut ends up in the same place as indicated by the green markings, so the torx setting is correct once re-tightened
The hex can not be adjusted until the locking nut is loosened. He said the hex adjustor was about an 1/8 of a turn. Need to be careful apparently as very easy to over tighten the hex.
I am curious if the main dealer would do this, apparently they should not be adjusted, but someone obviously adjusted it when fitting to the car I guess not that well in some cases. I'll give the main dealer a call, rather they did it in case any damage is caused.

 

[pablo_max3045]

New Defender is tempting, but quite expensive to get one with a reasonable trim level and I'm not convinced about Land Rover reliability either

It's crazy expensive. I live next door to the land rover experience track and know the guys who owns it. I've taken my Jeep in there a couple times and the new defender on several occasions. The defender is definitely not as easy going as the Rubicon. It does well enough though.
The huge tires are a major problem if you ever want to do real off roading though. They will be dead in the first couple miles. No side wall to speak of.
Way more comfortable than the wrangler. Especially the seats.
Infortainment is kind of crap though. Looks fancy, but I found it really slow to use.
Depreciation will be high since it is a modern LR.
I have owned a fair number of JLR autos.
If you are disappointed by Jeep, I would say that it is exceptionally ironic that you would look to LR. They are pretty and expensive, but reliable and trouble free? Not so much.
It's not too far of G Klasse money either.

What about the INIOS?

 

[lohr500]

Agree, new Defender is very expensive and early reliability is not looking very good. Lot's of issues being reported on the Defender forum that I follow. I wouldn't consider buying one because of the price.
If I returned to Land Rover it would be with either an older TD5 Discovery or possibly an older Range Rover. I have spent many years repairing Lan Rovers so I know what I would be letting myself in for. But low cost parts and 3rd party specialised knowledge are readily available, which sadly doesn't seem the case for the JL. And the older Land Rovers haven't got as many electronic modules to go wrong.

New Ineos Grenadier could be a winner, but I am going to wait until they have been in production for a while to see how reliable they are. As an early adopted of JL I have learned a lesson!!

I got a Mitsubishi Outlander phev when I sold the Jeep, but after a few weeks I decided it wasn't the right car for me. But because of the way UK used car prices are at the moment, I was able to sell it for more 6% more than I paid for it a few weeks earlier!

For now, I am now running a Subaru Levorg estate car which I think is vastly under rated by the motoring press. We've had Subaru's before and they have been bombproof. I had a set of Goodyear Vector4 all seasons tyres fitted on Monday, so it should be quite good in the snow this winter.

 

[pablo_max3045]

Agree, new Defender is very expensive and early reliability is not looking very good. Lot's of issues being reported on the Defender forum that I follow. I wouldn't consider buying one because of the price.
If I returned to Land Rover it would be with either an older TD5 Discovery or possibly an older Range Rover. I have spent many years repairing Lan Rovers so I know what I would be letting myself in for. But low cost parts and 3rd party specialised knowledge are readily available, which sadly doesn't seem the case for the JL. And the older Land Rovers haven't got as many electronic modules to go wrong.

New Ineos Grenadier could be a winner, but I am going to wait until they have been in production for a while to see how reliable they are. As an early adopted of JL I have learned a lesson!!

I got a Mitsubishi Outlander phev when I sold the Jeep, but after a few weeks I decided it wasn't the right car for me. But because of the way UK used car prices are at the moment, I was able to sell it for more 6% more than I paid for it a few weeks earlier!

For now, I am now running a Subaru Levorg estate car which I think is vastly under rated by the motoring press. We've had Subaru's before and they have been bombproof. I had a set of Goodyear Vector4 all seasons tyres fitted on Monday, so it should be quite good in the snow this winter.

I think the Ineos will be extremely hard to get a hold of. I also hear they are testing a H2 version of it, which should be interesting.
If they produce enough to actually buy one AND it is less than say 70k, I will be buying one.
That vehicle is what everyone hoped that LR would make for the new Discovery "defender edition".
The old defender had character and charm. The new one looks exactly like a discovery and, at least to me, is a throw away design and is in no way, not even in spirit, related to the real defender.

 

[lohr500]

Agree. They have just created a re-skinned Discovery with a few extra bolt ons. I don't see it as a successor to the old Defender in any way. Far too upmarket and with none of the DNA that made the old one so timeless. To be honest I am confused with the whole Land Rover line up nowadays. Far too much overlap across the models and they all look the same.

It's one of the reasons I bought the JL. Jeep have managed to retain the DNA of the earlier generations. It's just a shame in my case, they couldn't make it reliable. If they had, I would have kept it. The JL replaced a Defender XS 7 seat Station Wagon.

I really hope that Ineos becomes a success and that the current JLR leadership see what a mistake they made when they consigned the old Defender to the scrap bin.

Jeep, Mercedes, Suzuki and now even Ford have managed to evolve the classic designs into modern vehicles, whilst still retaining the looks and principles of the earlier models. JLR could have done the same if they had wanted to. But sadly they decided that the future was in a very different direction.

 

[Howi]

I may look at a Defender next year and pickup something a couple of years old.

Once you negate the depreciation and hopefully get one that has all the 'niggles' sorted should be ok.

 

[pablo_max3045]

Agree. They have just created a re-skinned Discovery with a few extra bolt ons. I don't see it as a successor to the old Defender in any way. Far too upmarket and with none of the DNA that made the old one so timeless. To be honest I am confused with the whole Land Rover line up nowadays. Far too much overlap across the models and they all look the same.

It's one of the reasons I bought the JL. Jeep have managed to retain the DNA of the earlier generations. It's just a shame in my case, they couldn't make it reliable. If they had, I would have kept it. The JL replaced a Defender XS 7 seat Station Wagon.

I really hope that Ineos becomes a success and that the current JLR leadership see what a mistake they made when they consigned the old Defender to the scrap bin.

Jeep, Mercedes, Suzuki and now even Ford have managed to evolve the classic designs into modern vehicles, whilst still retaining the looks and principles of the earlier models. JLR could have done the same if they had wanted to. But sadly they decided that the future was in a very different direction.

Ford is now saying there is a good chance to bring the Bronco to the EU.. just FYI.

 

[taram]

Ford is now saying there is a good chance to bring the Bronco to the EU.. just FYI.

If I didn’t have JLUR now, I’d consider Bronco as a #1 choice
P.S. I mean that if I was disappointed with JLUR - I would go for Bronco. But I’m not

 

[jr-323i]

For those following this thread relating to the steering issues - not Broncos, or Defenders although they are cool

The TSB 08-074-20 was replaced in Jan 2021 with TSB 08-003-21 . File attached.

I have rebooked my 2019 vehicle in as I suspect the software was not correctly updated to Code 70F. Its all detailed in the attachment.

If any of you are interested in other TSBs relating to your Wrangler, read here : You can thank me later

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Jeep/Wrangler/2019/tsbs/

 

[jr-323i]

Hi guys,

Received my Jeep JL back today. They decided to replace the steering box again (this is the third one!) part no 68507572AA,.

Early days, however this is tighter than the last, they also updated all the sales codes correctly as per the later TSB 08-003-21 . I think this is as good as it will get, once I have some some decent motorway driving will see if it drives without the wandering. I got them to dip my headlights as I noticed lots of drivers flash me as the headlights are pointed v.high, hoping that prevents me giving other motorists an x-ray when I drive past

 

[taram]

For those following this thread relating to the steering issues - not Broncos, or Defenders although they are cool

The TSB 08-074-20 was replaced in Jan 2021 with TSB 08-003-21 . File attached.

I have rebooked my 2019 vehicle in as I suspect the software was not correctly updated to Code 70F. Its all detailed in the attachment.

If any of you are interested in other TSBs relating to your Wrangler, read here : You can thank me later

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Jeep/Wrangler/2019/tsbs/

Went to my dealership recently with not that much hope, since I decided not to to get into the steering issues from the very beginning - I realized my Jeep isn’t driving perfectly straight - pulling right a bit - and there is some wandering at the highway speeds when you have to “catch” the car spontaneously- but not that bad and imo acceptable for a framed vehicle with solid axles. But after checking this TSB I decided just to check how it could work with the dealership. They first were quite surprised as I was the first in Cyprus (as they say) who reported steering issues, and the TSB wasn’t introduced to them. But then they took a ride and confirmed that the steering could be better. Then they copied the paper I provided to check with FCA, and booked me an appointment for the 1st of December in order to complete the prescribed preliminary checks described in TSB. So we’ll see what it may come to, I wasn’t expecting them even to accept my complaint, but now it looks like they will have to do at least something about it - will keep posted.
P.S. They also might refuse to implement the warranty TSB due to non stock tires I have , but we’ll see - I have no lift or other alterations of the suspension, and tires (on stock rims) cannot cause the wandering in any way (it was absolutely the same with stock tires though).

 

[jr-323i]

HI Guys,

Had a good motorway trip yesterday, its deffo tracking straight now. I am convinced when they last replaced the steering box, the software / codes were not correctly updated as the difference is noticeable with the latest steering box.

I read somewhere the software for the four door had been incorrectly uploaded on two models from the factory which I have. Not sure if that's true, however having the latest software with the latest steering box is good.

I would say the steering is still light, however as the centre slop is reduced, its much more manageable.

I can now rest my OCD on the Jeep JL steering issues, its been a long journey and a shame that 1.5 years of ownership wasted, but now at least I feel safer driving it.

 

[EU_Wrangler]

They decided to replace the steering box again (this is the third one!) part no 68507572AA,.

Is this the same Part No than the one you had? Im just curious why decided to replace the box if you just needed the correct software...

 

[jr-323i]

HI Guys,

Had a good motorway trip yesterday, its deffo tracking straight now. I am convinced when they last replaced the steering box, the software / codes were not correctly updated as the difference is noticeable with the latest steering box.

I read somewhere the software for the four door had been incorrectly uploaded on two models from the factory which I have. Not sure if that's true, however having the latest software with the latest steering box is good.

I would say the steering is still light, however as the centre slop is reduced, its much more manageable.

I can now rest my OCD on the Jeep JL steering issues, its been a long journey and a shame that 1.5 years of ownership wasted, but now at least I feel safer driving it.

Yes same box/ part number as replaced 6 mths ago. I took it to a diffetent dealership so fresh tech eyes could review. I think they replaced box again as precautionary measure + they probably wanted the reveue as its a warranty claim. As I say, convinced new software made the difference this time as I already had the newer steel box.

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