2024 4xe is disappointing... gets no range increase

[Oceanic]

I'd love to see more range squeezed out of the 4xE, but realistically that just isn't going to happen until there is a generational advance in battery chemistry that meaningfully increases energy density. There just isn't the space or weight available to add enough KwH to make a difference.

My 4xE reliably gets 25-26 miles on a charge (I live in a warm climate). Compared to any other EV or PHEV, that's straight-up terrible for a 17KwH battery. A Chevy Volt from a decade ago got twice that range on the same battery size. That's because the 4xE is still a Jeep, which is exactly why it is so popular: it has a primitive, user-serviceable drivetrain and suspension that bleeds off energy and has the aerodynamic properties of a heavy brick. It's also the most capable off-road EV or PHEV by a wide margin (save for possibly some of Rivian's offerings). So you take the good with the bad.

Just like gas Jeeps require a lot of fuel to get around, electric ones need a lot of power. F=MA hasn't changed. The physics is still the same.

A purpose-built off-road EV platform (something like the Recon) is going to do a lot better on energy efficiency, but it's going to lose a lot of modding capability.

Personally, I'm hoping that in 7-10 years (about the time the stock battery is getting iffy) someone will have built a solid-state pack that is a drop-in replacement with another 10-15 miles of range. The Wrangler's design is never going to be an energy-efficient vehicle, though- it's always going to get by on brute force.

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[BXFXJeep]

I'm not too sure that the Recon range would be too impressive for an EV, Jeep hasn't even hinted on it's range, mind you I don't need more than 300 miles range, I can get away with even 200 miles at the low end.

Initially I was kinda interested in the Recon, but I don't think it's worth me giving up my Wrangler, the Recon would have to come in at around $50K USD for me to give up my 4xe.

The Recon with the Sky One-Touch made me interested in the Recon, at this point any manufacturer that puts out a slick looking decent priced EV convertible will interest me.

 

[JeepViking13]

Keep telling us how the slower, less powerful, and less-efficient by 25% Bronco is better.

We're interested. Truly.

Less powerful? Yeah I think not. My 2.7 has 330hp and 415tq. Plus it's lighter then the 4xe. Power to weight ratio comes into play. So the little bit more power you have is a wash. Not to mention Ford actually sells a performance factory tune that gives it much more power and is covered under warranty. Oh and my power is constant. Doesn't go away once the battery Viagra wears off. Once your little battery dies which happens pretty quick from what I've read you lose your power. Your back down to just 2.0 power which is 270hp and 290tq.

As far as fuel efficiency goes to be fair I haven't been driving my Bronco in eco mode. I probably should have tried it before complaining about mpg. Most Bronco Sasquatch owners have posted getting about 22mpg in eco mode. And that's with 35 inch tires. Put 35s on your 4xe and let's see what it gets.

Also the biggest difference of all is the handling. I own both a Jeep Xtreme Recon and Bronco Sasquatch and in the handing department it's not even close. My Bronco drives like a sports car compared to my Jeep. It's literally night and day. The steering is tight, tracks straight and is super responsive. It doesn't wander all over the place like a tractor. And you feel no bumps in the road. Super smooth ride.

Getting to the interior. Much more modern all around and way more comfortable. The seats in the Bronco are the most comfortable seats out of any vehicle I've ever owned. Hands down. I can drive for hours and be totally fine and my back doesn't hurt. My Jeeps seats are the absolute worst seats I've ever experienced in an automobile. 30 minutes in and my back is killing me. To be fair I do have a bad back. But still. Big difference in comfortability.

I also like the electronics and set up in the Bronco better. Everything is one touch. You have 2 high, 4 high, 4 low, 4 auto and GOAT modes all in one dial. Your not fighting with a sticky shifter. And the latest Android auto and carplay that's built in wireless. Along with a host of other things.

I was just at my Jeep dealership yesterday and they have a 2023 4xe Rubicon in Earl for msrp $70k. What the hell??? $70k for what? That's absolutely insane. Especially when you consider if you live in a cold area you're not getting no 21 miles on full electric. And offroading in full electric you get like 5 miles or so. And I always thought the 4xe gets 49mpg combined electric and gas in hybrid mode but apparently that's not the case at all it's more like 24 to 26 mpg. WTF? I'm sorry but that is not worth that price.

I can go on and on.

Since you were "interested"

 

[laniercruzer]

Had a performance model Y for a year and a half before selling it for the 392. I will tell you this, Tesla by far has the best tech, and it’ll be at least 10 years before I would even consider trying electric again. Lost 40 miles of range in that time, and though the thing was fast as hell, it was completely soulless. After the initial fun wears off it’s not fun to drive at all. Electrics are a waste of money at this point, thank god I sold it before it tanked in value this year(down $25k, so far)

 

[Ron93YJ]

Oh and my power is constant. Doesn't go away once the battery Viagra wears off. Once your little battery dies which happens pretty quick from what I've read you lose your power. Your back down to just 2.0 power which is 270hp and 290tq.

this is incorrect. You always have the power and torque

 

[JeepViking13]

this is incorrect. You always have the power and torque

Not if your battery dies.

 

[Ron93YJ]

Not if your battery dies.

There is a 15% reserve that isn’t reflected by the percentage you see on the dash. The battery never “dies” so to speak

 

[JeepViking13]

There is a 15% reserve that isn’t reflected by the percentage you see on the dash. The battery never “dies” so to speak

So if you have it in full electric mode and it says the power is down to 0 and the engine kicks on there's still more life and it runs in hybrid mode? I thought I heard in reviews it kicks into just straight engine mode if you let the battery totally die when not running in hybrids mode.

Regardless even if that's the case it still doesn't have much more power then a 2.7 Bronco especially being that it weights more. It's a wash.

And from a technical stand point for how fast the battery dies Off Roading after 4 or 5 miles and around 11 to 15 miles on road only in cold weather I can't justify the cost.

I was actually eyeing possibly a 2024 Willys 4xe. That was when I thought they get 49 mpg/e in hybrid mode. But they only get mid 20s. The full electric mode would be nice if it got more real world range. But I live 20 miles from everything in every direction. And from what I read it doesn't get good range in cold weather. It would be useless for my scenario.

I them you have to worry about the battery totally dieing after so many years. Then what? Pay $2k+ to replace it? I'm only thinking out loud. Not trying to crap on anyone's vehicle. Just weighting the pros and cons.

 

[Ron93YJ]

So if you have it in full electric mode and it says the power is down to 0 and the engine kicks on there's still more life and it runs in hybrid mode? I thought I heard in reviews it kicks into just straight engine mode if you let the battery totally die when not running in hybrids mode.

Regardless even if that's the case it still doesn't have much more power then a 2.7 Bronco especially being that it weights more. It's a wash.

And from a technical stand point for how fast the battery dies Off Roading after 4 or 5 miles and around 11 to 15 miles on road only in cold weather I can't justify the cost.

I was actually eyeing possibly a 2024 Willys 4xe. That was when I thought they get 49 mpg/e in hybrid mode. But they only get mid 20s. The full electric mode would be nice if it got more real world range. But I live 20 miles from everything in every direction. And from what I read it doesn't get good range in cold weather. It would be useless for my scenario.

I them you have to worry about the battery totally dieing after so many years. Then what? Pay $2k+ to replace it? I'm only thinking out loud. Not trying to crap on anyone's vehicle. Just weighting the pros and cons.

I just wanted to point out a common misconception. 4xe isn’t for everyone. If your commutes are smaller and you have charging options it can be great.

 

[PatriotX]

I can go on and on.

Since you were "interested"

You could go on, you'd still be wrong.

Wrangler is a FULL SECOND faster to 60, and a bit more on the 1/4 mile than your Bronco, it's a more than a bit.

Full power is always available, member here ran full 1/4 mile passes on 'empty' battery.

The depth of assumptive ignorance on these quick bricks is staggering.


I don't remember anyone asking about your interior.

 

[BXFXJeep]

So if you have it in full electric mode and it says the power is down to 0 and the engine kicks on there's still more life and it runs in hybrid mode? I thought I heard in reviews it kicks into just straight engine mode if you let the battery totally die when not running in hybrids mode.

Regardless even if that's the case it still doesn't have much more power then a 2.7 Bronco especially being that it weights more. It's a wash.

And from a technical stand point for how fast the battery dies Off Roading after 4 or 5 miles and around 11 to 15 miles on road only in cold weather I can't justify the cost.

I was actually eyeing possibly a 2024 Willys 4xe. That was when I thought they get 49 mpg/e in hybrid mode. But they only get mid 20s. The full electric mode would be nice if it got more real world range. But I live 20 miles from everything in every direction. And from what I read it doesn't get good range in cold weather. It would be useless for my scenario.

I them you have to worry about the battery totally dieing after so many years. Then what? Pay $2k+ to replace it? I'm only thinking out loud. Not trying to crap on anyone's vehicle. Just weighting the pros and cons.

You do not want to be parroting what you read and hear before confirming it.

 

[PatriotX]

"But...but..muh Bronco was Cheaper!"



Yes. Yes it was. In so many ways.

 

[JeepViking13]

"But...but..muh Bronco was Cheaper!"



Yes. Yes it was. In so many ways.

Are you saying Wranglers are more upscale and reliable?

 

[PatriotX]

I'm not the one complaining about "too pricey" but you do you.

 

[JeepViking13]

You could go on, you'd still be wrong.

Wrangler is a FULL SECOND faster to 60, and a bit more on the 1/4 mile than your Bronco, it's a more than a bit.

Full power is always available, member here ran full 1/4 mile passes on 'empty' battery.

The depth of assumptive ignorance on these quick bricks is staggering.


I don't remember anyone asking about your interior.

I'll tell you what. Throw 35s on your 4xe and let's drag race. Let's see which is quicker. Or did you forget they rated and tested it with 33s? Lol.

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