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I’m confused to how you get 50. i need to drive 200 miles. If the first 21 miles is electric, and the rest gets 20mpg, I dont see how 50 is accomplished.
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I’m confused to how you get 50. i need to drive 200 miles. If the first 21 miles is electric, and the rest gets 20mpg, I dont see how 50 is accomplished.
It doesn't get 50 mpg (or 49). It gets the gasoline equivalent of 49 mpg while running in electric only mode.

So, for that 21 miles, the rate of energy you use is equivalent to a gas engine that gets 49 mpg. It's relatively inefficient as an electric vehicle.

I'm still excited about mine, though =)
 

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So whats the Hybrid rating after you used up the 22 miles of battery range?

I'm trying to find the benefit of the 4xe. I used the Calculators on Fueleconomy.gov... For me, my work commute is 150 miles (35k per year), I don't have access to 120/240 power at work. Reg Gas is $2.85, Diesel is $3.09, Elec is $0.062kWh.

My Fuel & Electric estimates are:
4xe = $4477
3.0T Diesel = $4150
2.0T = $4300
3.6 eTorque = $4500
 

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I’m confused to how you get 50. i need to drive 200 miles. If the first 21 miles is electric, and the rest gets 20mpg, I dont see how 50 is accomplished.
The first 21 miles is only all electric if you choose that mode. Ultimate range would be in hybrid mode when you let the car decide how best to use each power source.
 

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I found some more data from the EPA test results. It looks like the electric city range in the test was 22.85 miles and the highway range was 21.0. It also confirms that the tests were performed in "Hybrid" mode without max regen. Another interesting note is that there is a release date of 2/10/2021 which I am assuming that was the date the data was released to FCA.

The data came from the 2021 Datafile available at:
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/download.shtml
 

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Plug in Hybrids are more efficient but they aren’t a magic bullet. 20 MPG city is pretty darn good, but where this will shine is as a commuter vehicle. Electric engines are more efficient at lower speeds so in traffic you will use a lot less energy. Plug it in at night and your 30 mile commute that usually costs you close to 2 gallons of gas may only require a gallon every other day or thereabouts. That adds up.
My stock Jeep Gladiator got 22mpg city/highway. Hell, I still get 17mpg with steel bumper, winch, and heavy 35" Falken tires. Plus like 250lbs of gear added and family in the back. How does a smaller vehicle get WORSE gas mileage?
 

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So whats the Hybrid rating after you used up the 22 miles of battery range?

I'm trying to find the benefit of the 4xe. I used the Calculators on Fueleconomy.gov... For me, my work commute is 150 miles (35k per year), I don't have access to 120/240 power at work. Reg Gas is $2.85, Diesel is $3.09, Elec is $0.062kWh.

My Fuel & Electric estimates are:
4xe = $4477
3.0T Diesel = $4150
2.0T = $4300
3.6 eTorque = $4500

HP, Torque, $7500 tax credit? That's the only benefits I see at this point.
 

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HP, Torque, $7500 tax credit? That's the only benefits I see at this point.
Depends on how you plan on driving it. If a lot of distance miles are being put on, I'd go with the diesel. I don't do a lot of distance trips, so my MPG is going to be a lot higher than what the EPA gives. Most of my driving is less than 20 miles.
 

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Add me to the "Wait and See" category for some real world reviews before I toss my name into the hat. I will not qualify for the $7500, so for me, it's really about the MPG and HP gains. However, based on these estimates, there may not be any gains LOL
Everyone qualifies for the $7500. Everyone
 

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So whats the Hybrid rating after you used up the 22 miles of battery range?

I'm trying to find the benefit of the 4xe. I used the Calculators on Fueleconomy.gov... For me, my work commute is 150 miles (35k per year), I don't have access to 120/240 power at work. Reg Gas is $2.85, Diesel is $3.09, Elec is $0.062kWh.

My Fuel & Electric estimates are:
4xe = $4477
3.0T Diesel = $4150
2.0T = $4300
3.6 eTorque = $4500
If you had a 10 mile commute, your commute costs would be less than $1 per day. It ain't the 4XE's fault that you chose to spend a minimum of 12.5 work weeks (500 hrs/40hr work week) a year sitting in a car instead of finding a job close to your home or a home close to your job.

In any case, if fuel economy is a concern for you and your commute, WTF are you driving a Wrangler? I have had CJs/Wranglers since I was 15 and I still see the stupidity of driving a Wrangler on a commute like that when a Model 3 or Prius will save you thousand of dollars per year.
 

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Not if they don't have $7500 worth of tax liability. Lots of people, especially retired, have non taxable income.
Then you get a refund for $7500
 

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Not if they don't have $7500 worth of tax liability. Lots of people, especially retired, have non taxable income.
They still qualify. They just can't take advantage of the credit
 

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Then you get a refund for $7500
The way I understand the tax rules, this isn’t true. You must have at least a $7500 tax liability for the credit to apply. If you over pay but still owe at least 7500 in a year you may get a refund.
however if you have zero taxable income, you’d miss out on the credit.
 
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