GrayHawk20
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I would be pissed...
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2021 Jeep Rubicon 392 first Vin and order, build and delivery tracking list
Membrain
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(still not sold on 'em...)Reminder from that photo - those wheels were not installed on the Jeep, they were just positioned next to the OEMs in order to see if I liked the look. I intend to get a shot of those wheels fully installed on 8/22 (Sunday).
Here are the specs -
Tires: GoodYear MTR/K 37x12.5x17 (my go-to tires!)
Wheels: XD / XD229 Machete beadlocks
Size: 17x9
Material: Aluminum
Bolt pattern: 5x5 / 5x127
Offset: -38mm
Backspacing: 3.5in
Hub bore: 78.3mm
Wheel Mods:
JL Rubicon TPMS
Standard valve stems
Power Tank Monster Valves in second location
Black center caps
Red (color matched) powder coated center flanges
- debating on doing the rings red or bronze... but not there yet
I have another set of those 37in MTR/Ks pending a new set of wheels or installation on the OEM beadlocks
In contrast -
My JTR with 3.5in RockKrawler on Method 307s and those same MTR/Ks
The tires on the XDs will stick out further than the Methods - (mebbe I'll also add pics of this tomorrow)
Wheels: Method / 307 Hole
Size: 17x8.5
Material: Aluminum
Bolt pattern: 5x5 / 5x127
Offset: 0mm
Backspacing: 4.75in
Hub bore: 94mm
Wheel Mods:
JL/JT Rubicon TPMS
Standard valve stems
Pics of 37's at 30 psi installed - no lift -
and a perspective of the differences in the wheel specs:
GrayHawk20
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The different perspectives can be tricky.(still not sold on 'em...)
Pics of 37's at 30 psi installed - no lift -
and a perspective of the differences in the wheel specs:
jlusmc
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(still not sold on 'em...)
Pics of 37's at 30 psi installed - no lift -
and a perspective of the differences in the wheel specs:
Any Idea how much that set up weighs? My new wheels with 35's are 112 lbs per corner.
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Membrain
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hmmm... VIN server acting funny tonight...
(Keep in mind my search focuses on keywords to determine if there is a BuildSheet or WindowSticker)
Checked a group of 10000 VINs and not one came up hot... (this is odd in itself) ... but didn't notice or look at anything in depth...
Started second search on a high-probability group which gave 2...
...and also showed a new error message not seen before... (which most likely skewed the first search effort)
"Unable to fetch required information. Please contact System Administrator"
So assume tonight will be of limited product.
(Keep in mind my search focuses on keywords to determine if there is a BuildSheet or WindowSticker)
Checked a group of 10000 VINs and not one came up hot... (this is odd in itself) ... but didn't notice or look at anything in depth...
Started second search on a high-probability group which gave 2...
...and also showed a new error message not seen before... (which most likely skewed the first search effort)
"Unable to fetch required information. Please contact System Administrator"
So assume tonight will be of limited product.
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Membrain
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8/22 update as of 2215 CST -
Not going to exacerbate any server issues by trying to continue hitting it tonight...
...here's what I found before it started acting up...
Checking for new WindowStickers and/or BuildSheets...
1 new VIN(s) with both WindowSticker(s) and BuildSheet(s):
813007 hydro blue
1 VIN(s) with BuildSheet(s):
812990 black
11 VIN(s) with WindowSticker(s):
724686 granite crystal
736006 black
761813 granite crystal
774003 black
775247 black
783144 sarge green
783303 granite crystal
785575 granite crystal
813405 bright white
821431 sting gray
822357 hydro blue
Tracking a total of 3830 VINs
for the MY 2021 392
Not going to exacerbate any server issues by trying to continue hitting it tonight...
...here's what I found before it started acting up...
Checking for new WindowStickers and/or BuildSheets...
1 new VIN(s) with both WindowSticker(s) and BuildSheet(s):
813007 hydro blue
1 VIN(s) with BuildSheet(s):
812990 black
11 VIN(s) with WindowSticker(s):
724686 granite crystal
736006 black
761813 granite crystal
774003 black
775247 black
783144 sarge green
783303 granite crystal
785575 granite crystal
813405 bright white
821431 sting gray
822357 hydro blue
Tracking a total of 3830 VINs
for the MY 2021 392
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Membrain
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Ok, next day update -
This message still periodically appears against certain VINs when searching for 392 BuildSheets - no other established pattern.
I can bounce the same last six on a check against the other 32 Wrangler variants and the message does not appear.
Confirmed, the message only sometimes appears when checking for a 392 Wrangler variant...
...so... is this a new indicator for a Wrangler 392 VIN that may have been axed, scrubbed, damaged(?) or assigned to a more secretive buyer?
...more to follow...
Membrain
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hmmm...
...LOL...
...LMAO(?)
Example: last 6 of VIN: 724656
Converts to full VIN: 1C4JJXSJ5MW724656
Resuilts for BuildSheet(BS) check: "Unable to fetch required information. Please contact System
Administrator"
Results for WindowSticker (WS): "Sorry, a Window Sticker is unavailable for this VIN"
Results for Google VIN check: " MSRP $107,940 "
http://www.chapmanautogroup.com/veh...wrangler-unlimited-rubicon-392-pa-id-42753841
Conclusion: Yup - Affirmative!
It is most definitely a hidden BS and WS so that any prospective buyer CANNOT see the ORIGINAL MSRP!
...and I'm now finding a ***CRAPLOAD*** of these...
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KJiv
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Mine is doing this. I switched to a VPN to mask my ip and it shows "No records found corresponding to the VIN provided". Turn off VPN and it gives the "Unable to Fetch" message
Membrain
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LMFAO! -
Taken from the aforementioned weblink:
"Now, more than ever, if our EMBLEM is not on the back of your car or truck, you probably did pay too much."
Membrain
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^^^ Such dealers in violation of the law?
"Dealers are required to display the sticker on all new cars and provide the sticker to the customer at delivery," said Steve Bernas, director of operations for the Better Business Bureau of Metropolitan Chicago.
As a service to their customers, many dealers remove the Monroney label, which lists standard and optional equipment, prices, fuel-economy rating, freight charge and where the car was built, and give it to the customer at delivery.
In doing so, they are violating the law because, according to the Federal Trade Commission, which is empowered to enforce Monroney label violations, federal law requires that the window sticker "may be removed only by the purchaser."
https://www.justice.gov/civil/consumer-protection-branch-32
The Automobile Information Disclosure Act (AIDA), 15 U.S.C. §§ 1231-1233, is more commonly known as the Monroney Act (Senator Mike Monroney was the chief sponsor of the Act) or Price Sticker Act. The Act requires the affixing of a retail price sticker to the windshield or side window of new automobiles indicating the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP), that is, the "sticker price." Additional information, such as a list of any optional equipment offered or transportation charges, is also required.
The Federal Trade Commission publishes a fact sheet entitled Buying a New Car, that has additional information.
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/autos/aut11.shtm
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$1000 fine on a $30000 markup?
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2010-title15/html/USCODE-2010-title15-chap28.htm
§1233. Violations and penalties
(a) Failure to affix required label
Any manufacturer of automobiles distributed in commerce who willfully fails to affix to any new automobile manufactured or imported by him the label required by section 1232 of this title shall be fined not more than $1,000. Such failure with respect to each automobile shall constitute a separate offense.
(b) Failure to endorse required label
Any manufacturer of automobiles distributed in commerce who willfully fails to endorse clearly, distinctly and legibly any label as required by section 1232 of this title, or who makes a false endorsement of any such label, shall be fined not more than $1,000. Such failure or false endorsement with respect to each automobile shall constitute a separate offense.
(c) Removal, alteration, or illegibility of required label
Any person who willfully removes, alters, or renders illegible any label affixed to a new automobile pursuant to section 1232 of this title, or any endorsement thereon, prior to the time that such automobile is delivered to the actual custody and possession of the ultimate purchaser of such new automobile, except where the manufacturer relabels the automobile in the event the same is rerouted, repurchased, or reacquired by the manufacturer of such automobile, shall be fined not more than $1,000, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both. Such removal, alteration, or rendering illegible with respect to each automobile shall constitute a separate offense.
(Pub. L. 85–506, §4, July 7, 1958, 72 Stat. 326.)
...no wonder they get away with it
*** basically the govt saying - if you can get away with overcharging the consumer for thousands of dollars, then we want $1000 of it *** ???
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