Sponsored

2 door vs. 4 door sales

Ratbert

Well-Known Member
First Name
John
Joined
Jun 20, 2020
Threads
88
Messages
7,626
Reaction score
10,252
Location
COS region, CO
Vehicle(s)
AEV JL370 JLURD , AMG GLC43
Build Thread
Link
Occupation
Software Engineer
Clubs
 
Thank you for taking the time to respond and post this data.
VERY COOL 😎

I'm in the exclusive 2% JLR club & THE "LIMITED" DEUCES ✌🫡

My dilemma was I wanted a manual 2door but I didn't want the v6 again... I live 7K elevation and play in the higher mountains and the v6 just loses too much power and mpgs suck with 37s. So I choose the 2L i4Turbo which doesn't have a manual option. I am very happy with the engine power on & off road PLUS I'm getting 20mpg with 37s and 2.5 lift... SWEET SETUP 💯 The only better option for me would be the future twin-turbo v6... UGH 🤨
PS the v8 is not a consideration due to its <10mpg with >37tires...
Agreed. The 3.6L v6 with a manual at 7.4k feet was incredibly anemic. This time I did the diesel. Love the torque, no matter the altitude. And, of course, it doesn't sound like a vacuum cleaner ;)
Sponsored

 

MattT69

Well-Known Member
First Name
Matthew
Joined
Jan 2, 2021
Threads
1
Messages
406
Reaction score
1,254
Location
Utah
Vehicle(s)
Jeep Wrangler JL Rubicon
Vehicle Showcase
1
Agreed. The 3.6L v6 with a manual at 7.4k feet was incredibly anemic. This time I did the diesel. Love the torque, no matter the altitude. And, of course, it doesn't sound like a vacuum cleaner ;)
Yes, #1 mod for the 2L Turbo is to get a better muffler. It's like night and day when you get rid of that OEM beer can. I did the delete option for a while but then got the aFe MACH Force-Xp Hi-Tuck 3in 409 SS for Jeep Wrangler JL Axle-Back Exhaust. 💯 better!!!
CHEERS 🍻
 

Heimkehr

Well-Known Member
First Name
James
Joined
Sep 3, 2020
Threads
31
Messages
7,135
Reaction score
14,207
Location
Pennsylvania
Vehicle(s)
2021 JLU 2.0T
Why they don't offer [the 6MT] on the 2.0T is beyond me. Ford has a manual on their turbo 2.3, so that shouldn't be an excuse.
The Aisin 6-speed that is paired with the Pentastar is operating near the limit of its torque rating. As the 2.0T has an observably higher torque specification than does the V6, the current iteration of the manual gearbox would need to be uprated, or replaced, to be compatible with the turbo four.

There's a perfect parallel between that issue and the stronger 8HP75 transmission that is compulsory when ordering the 392 or the [now NLA?] Ecodiesel.
 

five9dak

Well-Known Member
First Name
Chris
Joined
Feb 26, 2021
Threads
0
Messages
983
Reaction score
1,693
Location
PA
Vehicle(s)
Bikini '20 JL Freedom, '99 Dakota R/T, '97 Boxster
I was under the impression that people bought the 2 door for its short wheelbase. There's already an extremely well-selling alternative with a longer wheelbase and more cargo space.

Yes, stop trying to stretch our 2 doors. They already make a big one, leave it little.
 

LCW

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2022
Threads
37
Messages
1,027
Reaction score
1,938
Location
Twin Cities MN
Vehicle(s)
(formerly '22 JLUR) '23 Bronco Badlands 2dr 2.7
The Aisin 6-speed that is paired with the Pentastar is operating near the limit of its torque rating. As the 2.0T has an observably higher torque specification than does the V6, the current iteration of the manual gearbox would need to be uprated, or replaced, to be compatible with the turbo four.

There's a perfect parallel between that issue and the stronger 8HP75 transmission that is compulsory when ordering the 392 or the [now NLA?] Ecodiesel.
Makes sense - didn't realize the 6speed was near its limit. Guessing Jeep didn't want to invest in beefing it up.
 

Sponsored

zb39

Well-Known Member
First Name
Brad
Joined
Apr 25, 2018
Threads
7
Messages
259
Reaction score
219
Location
earth
Vehicle(s)
2018 Ram 5500, 2018 Durango GT AWD, 2015 malibu, GMC 3500 Dump, 70 challenger convertible, 2019 2 door rubicon, manual tranny
I love my 2 door Rubicon, 6 spd manual, standard V6. Had it 4 years now. 26K miles, zero issues.
flat towed 20K miles. Zero issues. I might take it in for all the recalls some day.
 

MattT69

Well-Known Member
First Name
Matthew
Joined
Jan 2, 2021
Threads
1
Messages
406
Reaction score
1,254
Location
Utah
Vehicle(s)
Jeep Wrangler JL Rubicon
Vehicle Showcase
1
Yes, stop trying to stretch our 2 doors. They already make a big one, leave it little.
Its the same crowd that is pushing for a 4-door Corvette... SMH
The 2 door proportions are perfect and the inside space is better as a 2 seater.
Lots of sports car and truck proportions have been ruined by the addition of the back doors... Why does everything need to be limo-sized... UGH!!!

My 2-door 2-seater below... how are the proportions wrong???

Jeep Wrangler JL 2 door vs. 4 door sales 2 door 2seater
 

Old Jeeper

Well-Known Member
First Name
Don
Joined
Jul 7, 2022
Threads
37
Messages
2,643
Reaction score
3,884
Location
Port Charlotte, FL, Naples Fl, 17 Oaks Ranch, Tex
Vehicle(s)
2024 JLR-X 2023 JLR, 2021 JTR. 20 F 450 KR,
Occupation
US Army Infantry, IT Engineer
Its the same crowd that is pushing for a 4-door Corvette... SMH
The 2 door proportions are perfect and the inside space is better as a 2 seater.
Lots of sports car and truck proportions have been ruined by the addition of the back doors... Why does everything need to be limo-sized... UGH!!!

My 2-door 2-seater below... how are the proportions wrong???

Jeep Wrangler JL 2 door vs. 4 door sales 2 door 2seater
Perfect in EVERY way.

4 door, ass hanging out all the time, me an my JLR dodge, weave thru rush traffic like Emmentt Smith carried a Football down range. If it gets jammed up, it's 4 Lo and up the side of the Canyon walls up onto the exit ramp or jump the curb in the center go the other way.
 

Heimkehr

Well-Known Member
First Name
James
Joined
Sep 3, 2020
Threads
31
Messages
7,135
Reaction score
14,207
Location
Pennsylvania
Vehicle(s)
2021 JLU 2.0T
Its the same crowd that is pushing for a 4-door Corvette... SMH
The 2 door proportions are perfect and the inside space is better as a 2 seater.

Lots of sports car and truck proportions have been ruined by the addition of the back doors...

Why does everything need to be limo-sized...
This, every day of the week (and I say that as a JLU owner.)

I still miss the coziness of my YJ. But for my personal use case making the four door Wrangler the best choice, I'd have ordered a JL.

Said differently, horses for courses.

Leave each one alone.
 

Blazing Saddles

Well-Known Member
First Name
Not Sure
Joined
Oct 12, 2021
Threads
10
Messages
259
Reaction score
908
Location
Mountains
Vehicle(s)
Jeep Jeep
Occupation
Staring at this forum
Its the same crowd that is pushing for a 4-door Corvette... SMH
The 2 door proportions are perfect and the inside space is better as a 2 seater.
Lots of sports car and truck proportions have been ruined by the addition of the back doors... Why does everything need to be limo-sized... UGH!!!

My 2-door 2-seater below... how are the proportions wrong???

Jeep Wrangler JL 2 door vs. 4 door sales 2 door 2seater
The only thing wrong with this picture is you need half doors.
 

Sponsored

Heimkehr

Well-Known Member
First Name
James
Joined
Sep 3, 2020
Threads
31
Messages
7,135
Reaction score
14,207
Location
Pennsylvania
Vehicle(s)
2021 JLU 2.0T
The only thing wrong with this picture is you need half doors.
We're trying! :) But for private sellers usually listing them for $1-2K+ above published MSRP, before shipping, more of us would have the doors.

And then there's the matter of finding the correct color doors; if not, add another four figure line item for paint-matching. It's not easy.
 

Blazing Saddles

Well-Known Member
First Name
Not Sure
Joined
Oct 12, 2021
Threads
10
Messages
259
Reaction score
908
Location
Mountains
Vehicle(s)
Jeep Jeep
Occupation
Staring at this forum
We're trying! :) But for private sellers usually listing them for $1-2K+ above published MSRP, before shipping, more of us would have the doors.

And then there's the matter of finding the correct color doors; if not, add another four figure line item for paint-matching. It's not easy.
Yeah, I read JPAloha's epic journey trying to match his Jeep. They are awesome though and I think they look much better on the 2 door than the 4.
 

MattT69

Well-Known Member
First Name
Matthew
Joined
Jan 2, 2021
Threads
1
Messages
406
Reaction score
1,254
Location
Utah
Vehicle(s)
Jeep Wrangler JL Rubicon
Vehicle Showcase
1
This, every day of the week (and I say that as a JLU owner.)

I still miss the coziness of my YJ. But for my personal use case making the four door Wrangler the best choice, I'd have ordered a JL.

Said differently, horses for courses.

Leave each one alone.
Truth... I understand the need for a 4 door... and just between us (I like the way my wife's JLUR looks) But I don't understand how they say the 2 door proportions are off. That's how a "jeep-sized" Jeep looks from day one.
Its like saying, I don't like the proportions of a 2 door Porsche or Mustang or Charger. now that they have 4 door options.. Yes, Jeep made a 4 door option that can look good but the original also looks good, if they are both built correctly... :)
 

Heimkehr

Well-Known Member
First Name
James
Joined
Sep 3, 2020
Threads
31
Messages
7,135
Reaction score
14,207
Location
Pennsylvania
Vehicle(s)
2021 JLU 2.0T
Its like saying, I don't like the proportions of a 2 door Porsche or Mustang or Charger. now that they have 4 door options..
Coincidentally, just yesterday I saw a vehicular blob that I couldn't identify (which is rare for me). A closer inspection revealed it to be a Mustang "Mach-E". It reminds one of a bloated Mazda. Said blob bore no resemblance whatsoever to its namesake.

It's tempting to conclude that the OEMs are just pulling straws these days.
 

Tncdrew

Well-Known Member
First Name
Tom
Joined
May 3, 2022
Threads
21
Messages
1,295
Reaction score
2,513
Location
East Tennessee
Vehicle(s)
2022 JL Willys, 3.6L - 8spd
We're trying! :) But for private sellers usually listing them for $1-2K+ above published MSRP, before shipping, more of us would have the doors.
☝ This!!
They have them, and we want them...
AKA, Greed. 🙄
Sponsored

 
 



Top