“ New vehicles must average 40 mpg by 2026 under US standards ”

[Scott.B]

Well hopefully some sanity comes back instead of virtue signaling emotions.

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[2nd 392]

I was being totally sarcastic. Figured they would call it a classic, up the price, and make the same number they always made. There was not one hint of reality in the entire bogus article.

I know, just trying to laugh about Regulations ( beats disgust , anger or hopelessness)

 

[Mad Hatter]

We go back full-circle to Ford’s ‘other’ car/engine design.

Sounds just like the classic Trabant (aka beloved Trabi) produced in East Germany until shortly after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Complete with 2-cycle engine, the Trabi's top speed was 100 kmh (62 mph). More information at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant.

After the fall of the Wall, East Germans had access to Western automobiles. Used cars from all over Europe found a strong market in the former DDR, and the value of the Trabi fell precipitously--until they later became collector's items. A joke at the time: "How do you double the value of a Trabi? Fill its gas tank!"

Apparently special bacteria was developed that would "eat" the otherwise non-biodegradable plastic body for disposal at the end of its life.

BTW, I was living and working in Berlin before and after the Fall of the Wall. Incredible changes in the years following!

 

[Tank the Jeep]

I have a few thoughts on forced 40 mpg. I’ll try to express without getting political.

There are a few cars that can get 40 mpg now. Actually have been for quite a few years. The first that I recall was a diesel VW rabbit in the 1980s. If Americans wanted the type of cars that will get 40 mpg, then those cars would be more common. We don’t want that kind of POS. We want safe, capable, comfortable, powerful machines. If the manufacturers could produce the type of machine we want and still get 40 mpg, then those would be produced.

I realize that forcing the mpg higher is a push by the same people that tell us about climate change. We have been told that we have just 12 years left since the 1980s. Maybe longer that is just what I remember. I started my career in environmental protection in 1996 as an air quality engineer. Today I am the environmental manager for a large construction company. North Carolina has lowered the standard for ozone four times during my career. Lowering the standard is the same a lowering the speed limit because everyone is driving slower. We keep meeting the standards. The 1990 Clean Air Act Amendment worked and continue to work. Admittedly those were limits pushed by the government. But they were attainable limits. I’m not sure 40 mpg is with the type of vehicles we want and with the internal combustion engine.

I think the internal combustion engine (ICE) is near its max as far as extracting power from a unit of fuel. Today’s engines a way less than half the size and more powerful that the best engines from 30 years ago. Why do I think it’s near the max? Because the hp output is near the racing outputs. Think NASCAR engines are 700 hp and compare to a Camaro ZL1, Mustang GT 500, or Hellcat. The incremental improvements are very small numbers now.

So the push now is towards electric. Which I am ok with to a degree. Electric is fast. I like speed. However problems exist. We all know the issues like range, replacement cost, disposal and so forth. One issue I would like to add is that the EV components are coming from China. It appears that those in charge are pushing us faster and faster toward a dependency on China. This paints a grim future for America.

Sorry for the long post. Legitimate votes are more important now than ever.

 

[Initial-Jeep]

One issue I would like to add is that the EV components are coming from China.

And I maintain that it merely pushes pollution to another location and since China doesn't have the environmental controls the US, EU, et al. have, it's a net increase in global pollution. I keep hearing "climate change" but the proposed solutions are localized, making for a self-defeating claim.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Sky rocketing gas prices will force many out of the ICE, if anyone can afford an EV, I'm not sure it makes any sense for them to be in an ICE, and sooner or later, those that cannot afford an EV, will be buying a bus pass, or bicycle.

 

[Deleted member 35398]

“In the event this goes down, the entire Jeep line might have to be discontinued”

WAHOO! That means I’m driving a collectors item.

 

[Deleted member 35398]

And I maintain that it merely pushes pollution to another location and since China doesn't have the environmental controls the US, EU, et al. have, it's a net increase in global pollution. I keep hearing "climate change" but the proposed solutions are localized, making for a self-defeating claim.

THIS IS SO TRUE. China is the #1 polluter around the world, yet the “green” turds don’t want to go after them. Instead, let’s destroy our own economy. Yes, climate change is real……..no doubt, but the climate has always been in “change,” and what’s causing it? Maybe it’s just cyclical. One thing’s for sure, only an IDIOT would think they could actually control the climate.

 

[Sublime]

I have a few thoughts on forced 40 mpg. I’ll try to express without getting political.

There are a few cars that can get 40 mpg now. Actually have been for quite a few years. The first that I recall was a diesel VW rabbit in the 1980s. If Americans wanted the type of cars that will get 40 mpg, then those cars would be more common. We don’t want that kind of POS. We want safe, capable, comfortable, powerful machines. If the manufacturers could produce the type of machine we want and still get 40 mpg, then those would be produced.

I realize that forcing the mpg higher is a push by the same people that tell us about climate change. We have been told that we have just 12 years left since the 1980s. Maybe longer that is just what I remember. I started my career in environmental protection in 1996 as an air quality engineer. Today I am the environmental manager for a large construction company. North Carolina has lowered the standard for ozone four times during my career. Lowering the standard is the same a lowering the speed limit because everyone is driving slower. We keep meeting the standards. The 1990 Clean Air Act Amendment worked and continue to work. Admittedly those were limits pushed by the government. But they were attainable limits. I’m not sure 40 mpg is with the type of vehicles we want and with the internal combustion engine.

I think the internal combustion engine (ICE) is near its max as far as extracting power from a unit of fuel. Today’s engines a way less than half the size and more powerful that the best engines from 30 years ago. Why do I think it’s near the max? Because the hp output is near the racing outputs. Think NASCAR engines are 700 hp and compare to a Camaro ZL1, Mustang GT 500, or Hellcat. The incremental improvements are very small numbers now.

So the push now is towards electric. Which I am ok with to a degree. Electric is fast. I like speed. However problems exist. We all know the issues like range, replacement cost, disposal and so forth. One issue I would like to add is that the EV components are coming from China. It appears that those in charge are pushing us faster and faster toward a dependency on China. This paints a grim future for America.

Sorry for the long post. Legitimate votes are more important now than ever.

NASCAR is regulated to the point of what airgun can be used to change tires. The engines are artificially limited to keep speeds down.

Saw a video this weekend of a row of cars at a charger spontaneously erupting in flames, one after another. The future is gonna be lit.

 

[2nd 392]

Sky rocketing gas prices will force many out of the ICE, if anyone can afford an EV, I'm not sure it makes any sense for them to be in an ICE, and sooner or later, those that cannot afford an EV, will be buying a bus pass, or bicycle.

Then-“Plan Successful, Mission Accompanied!!!) but it still wouldn’t be enough, it never is!

 

[scottedontknow]

I’m not worried. My lifted Wrangler on 35s gets 40 MPG without even trying.

Yup.

OMG same here! I thought I was the only one!

 

[T Town]

Sky rocketing gas prices will force many out of the ICE, if anyone can afford an EV, I'm not sure it makes any sense for them to be in an ICE, and sooner or later, those that cannot afford an EV, will be buying a bus pass, or bicycle.

I can afford an EV but don’t own one yet and I can afford gas too. I have to as I have a Transit van that gets about 17 mpg on the highway. Not my daily driver. I also have a bus pass and 3 bicycles.
There is so much negativity in this thread. There will be plenty of ICE vehicles for many years to come. Enjoy the life you have left. Leave grumpiness behind. Why make your short time on this earth one continual bitch session?

 

[T Town]

NASCAR is regulated to the point of what airgun can be used to change tires. The engines are artificially limited to keep speeds down.

Saw a video this weekend of a row of cars at a charger spontaneously erupting in flames, one after another. The future is gonna be lit.

Please find that and throw up a link. I’d like to see it.

 

[swampflyer]

I have a few thoughts on forced 40 mpg. I’ll try to express without getting political.

There are a few cars that can get 40 mpg now. Actually have been for quite a few years. The first that I recall was a diesel VW rabbit in the 1980s. If Americans wanted the type of cars that will get 40 mpg, then those cars would be more common. We don’t want that kind of POS. We want safe, capable, comfortable, powerful machines. If the manufacturers could produce the type of machine we want and still get 40 mpg, then those would be produced.

I realize that forcing the mpg higher is a push by the same people that tell us about climate change. We have been told that we have just 12 years left since the 1980s. Maybe longer that is just what I remember. I started my career in environmental protection in 1996 as an air quality engineer. Today I am the environmental manager for a large construction company. North Carolina has lowered the standard for ozone four times during my career. Lowering the standard is the same a lowering the speed limit because everyone is driving slower. We keep meeting the standards. The 1990 Clean Air Act Amendment worked and continue to work. Admittedly those were limits pushed by the government. But they were attainable limits. I’m not sure 40 mpg is with the type of vehicles we want and with the internal combustion engine.

I think the internal combustion engine (ICE) is near its max as far as extracting power from a unit of fuel. Today’s engines a way less than half the size and more powerful that the best engines from 30 years ago. Why do I think it’s near the max? Because the hp output is near the racing outputs. Think NASCAR engines are 700 hp and compare to a Camaro ZL1, Mustang GT 500, or Hellcat. The incremental improvements are very small numbers now.

So the push now is towards electric. Which I am ok with to a degree. Electric is fast. I like speed. However problems exist. We all know the issues like range, replacement cost, disposal and so forth. One issue I would like to add is that the EV components are coming from China. It appears that those in charge are pushing us faster and faster toward a dependency on China. This paints a grim future for America.

Sorry for the long post. Legitimate votes are more important now than ever.

My VW TDI gets a low mileage of 45 mpg and a high of 52 mpg. We just need to leave things alone.

 

[Pistoloni]

I thought I read somewhere that its 40mpg for the companies / makes. Can have cars and trucks that get 5mpg as long as you offset it with 80mpg cars.

Again, just something I read and did not do any research whatsoever before regurgitating it

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