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Yeah it's a bummer. I kind of decided I'm done with stick in new jeeps as I just don't enjoy it coupled to a modern econobox of an engine the way I used to. I love my 4 banger YJ in stick, and my MGB, but if I am going to spend 50k on a jeep it's going to be enjoyable all the time, not just for...

All of that was in reference to when the vehicle is stopped which is pretty clearly stated maybe one or two sentences before the one you chose to quote. Work on your reading comprehension.

ACC and automatic braking are two different things. ACC is an optional convenience feature, automatic braking is an optional safety feature that should probably be installed on every car going forward, it will stop a lot of accidents. Oh but I forgot, we can just tell people that cause...

Nobody is on their phone guy, calm down. Read thoroughly before responding.

In a car that has adaptive cruise that holds the car there, yes. Driven tens of thousands of miles without incident. You know you rely on about 4500 computers every time you get in your car right? The one they planned the car on, the one they built the car with, the one that operates the car...

...so you rather he drive into you then. Makes sense.

Right but what about that pothead you were just talking about driving his 1990 civic high? Would you rather him be in a car with automatic braking?

Like anything, there will obviously be idiots that exploit the systems to make their life easier but potentially yours less safe. But the vast majority of people will only benefit from added safety tech - both crashers and the crashee's - as they were already doing all the stupid shit that...

If they put the stick on that turbo i4 it would be more enjoyable. The torque curve of the i4 is much closer to that of the old GOAT i6.

Just so you know, adaptive cruise control and particularly teslas autopilot systems stop a lot more accidents then they create. Example: "For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 1.64 million miles driven. By comparison...

You'll note I didn't say that, somebody else did. I only look at anything when I am stopped, and I mean anything. As far as self driving stuff, its about 75% here already. You can get honda sense in a 26k civic which will start. stop, and steer for you. It's not great, but the mercedes and...

Yep, makes sense. Around here (boston) 85 can be the norm during commuting hours so that would be 5th gear for me. As long as that speed maintained I could stay there up and down hills but if it dropped below 75 or so I was back down to 4th to even maintain speed up hills.

These threads always turn into "ain't no damn techNOlogy gonna do what I can do myself!" but the fact of the matter is traffic is worse then ever, will continue to trend in that direction, and the tech is here to stay... so it may as well work correctly. In 50 years the idea of manually...

Think he means overdrive. They're basically useless unless you live in the flatlands.

People that use adaptive cruise control. With adaptive cruise control you didn't have your foot on the brake to begin with, the car stopped for you. Like I said - honda, mercedes, bmw, tesla, jaguar will all hold the car there for you. I am sure there are others, those are just the ones I...

I'm a pretty bright guy, and I definitely did not infer that ACC with stop means it will stop then start idling forward a few seconds later from that line item.

With so many people moving from the cities to the suburbs and commuting, its either have faith or lose your sanity sitting in traffic. When I moved from Boston to the burbs ACC was an absolute must. Looks like the benz will still be my commuter with this, what I consider to be a flaw.

Man... weird. That will 100% result in a few rear end taps.

I got a JLURD (diesel) with an auto this time around and I noticed that the adaptive cruise control will bring me to a stop, but where other adaptive cruise controls will hold you there (honda, mercedes, jaguar, tesla, bmw) and make you hit resume when traffic resumes, the system on my jeep just...

Be honest with yourself and think about whether or not you will ever use the lockers on a rubicon. You only need them for rock crawling stuff that's hard to walk over. If you're not going to ever do that kind of stuff, save yourself 20k and get a sport.