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That's why I'd buy a used one from 2014—when it was only a few years in :) I'd never buy a brand new one. Anyone who does that is a moron. They haven't changed at all since 2014, and only had minor changes since 2010. What it will probably come down to is this: I can buy a used 4Runner for...

OK, so new thread: a Jeep or find a way to ship an Australian LC over here. Annnnnnnd go :)

If you look at the specs and features of this year's Tacoma and LC, then yeah, most likely. Things like CarPlay and Android Auto with bigger screens, 360/bird's eye cameras, better center stack and instrument clusters, etc. Problem is, it'll also cost over $45k. I could get an SR5 used for...

I like your line of thinking. But I would argue about never getting the money back if I went with a 4Runner. Like Jeeps, they hold their resale value incredibly well. And since we don't know for sure what a 6th gen would even offer, there's always the chance that they have issues, or people...

If it makes you feel better, my first truck was an '84 Toyota Truck. And it was a lemon.

Actually, yes, I have. And while I would agree that Fiat (and Chrysler/Jeep) reliability doesn't hold a candle to a Toyota, my mrs' Fiat 500 Pop was a lot more fun to drive than my Toy.

You bring up some great points—maybe none more important that this line: "... there's ways to deal with..." I think this is important to remember as I (or others) move forward with similar debates. I agree that there's almost always a solution you could do with a 4Runner to solve a problem...

All interesting points. I love the fact that Jeeps are essentially like giant LEGOs. I can change what I want, and how I want it, all the time (which is where I think Jeep wins for functionality). And oddly enough, SAS is not uncommon in 4Runners. I know several who have done it with Dana axles...

Well, not a complete flame war, anyway. :) Funny enough, I have found a few used 2018 Rubi's (2-door) with low miles for $34-$37k (one on this site). And I'm not comparing a used 4Runner to a new Rubi—I'm trying to figure out which one would be the best fit for my needs. I appreciate that each...

Of all the things I've heard from everyone so far, this always seems to be the overwhelming sentiment: I really like my 4Runner. I love love love my JLUR It sounds like I'd be perfectly happy with the 4Runner—especially the way I'd build it. But the amount of pure joy I'd get from a Jeep...

Definitely no one is sitting in that back. Maybe the dog (and she has a harness with a strap on it). I might even remove the back seat altogether for more room.

I think this is a great point: While my 99 4Runner is definitely less technologically advanced and definitely under-powered comparatively, it's FAR and away more comfortable than the wife's JLUR in terms of the actual seating in the vehicle for both myself (the B pillar in the JL is one of the...

Ah. And yeah, you're right. I love the 5th gens, but agree the reality to get them near what a Jeep can do would be costly overall. And there are things I'll never change—like the size of it compared to a smaller Jeep (and smaller size has it's advantages). Part of my problem (that can't get...

So to respond to both of you :) I never said I had or didn't have fab skills (although I personally don't... but I'd love to learn). And I think the point you made here: I bought a new 97 wrangler at 20k. I quickly added stuff up I did to it to make it capable. I could have bought a new...

Sorry, I don't think I was clear (my bad): I'm definitely debating between a Rubi and a 4Runner. IF I were to go with a 4Runner (if), it would be a 5th gen—not another generation. :)

So, I would definitely buy a used model (2014-2016 Trail). But I actually DO want a 5th gen. I despise the look (exterior and interior) of the 4th gens—despite having a V8 option. And while I love 3rd gens (my favorite, actually), it's nearly impossible to find one that doesn't have hundreds of...

All valid points. Here's why I'm thinking of Rubi instead of a more entry-level model: I'm completely willing to add things after-the-fact (hence the used 4Runner thought). With Toyota, because they don't do anything stock for those parts post-purchase (lockers, suspension, etc.), the layout...

If I'm doing a rooftop tent, I'd think 4-door would be more ideal. But I'm open. I'll look for it (but if you can link here, that'd be great, too!). Thanks!

That is pretty sweet. And yeah, the idea would be to build things up over time. I'm not rolling in money, after all :) That's why I was thinking used—then grab pieces as I go. Obviously that would be easier with a 4Runner given they haven't changed in a many years—so I can get basically the same...