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I am delaying my purchasing decision as long as possible to let them get the welding issues resolved. This are simple solution fixes - and it is borderline terrifying (to me) that they aren't addressing them.

I am still in the market for a vehicle. Every month I roll back here to see what issues are cropping up with the Wranglers. Every month I return full of hope, wanting to feel like at least FCA has the basics rectified. Every month I leave this site disappointed . . . I am cross shopping this...

That made me laugh. What's appalling is that I'd pay for both those options - in order to get a "certified" new Wrangler . . .

That’s better than o had worried about. I was thinking 3-5 before you might get seepage from the edges - as the gasket aged.

I am wondering how long these will stay water tight . . . Love the concept - but I am in Oregon . . .

And the last sentence in the second paragraph says we "do" want to miss this chance.

That is insane, assuming relatively good credit.

Incredible toys. Enjoy the Wrangler.

That doesn't account for the money factor (interest) on the "loan" they are making to you. Your actual payments are more than just the depreciation on the vehicle. More here: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/money-factor.asp

Fair - you have to hit the gas to get the Subaru moving, and it will then resume. But true stop and go doesn't require any driver interaction. Your vehicle stops and moves forward to keep pace with the vehicle in front, all on its own. I find that to be more relaxing in traffic than the...

Subaru is stop only

Not OP - but for someone on the fence about jumping into the "Jeep pool" at all, based on concern about quality issues, leasing provides a bit of insurance. I REALLY want a Jeep, but what's holding me back are the stories about poor steering, rusting welds, missing welds, electrical failures...

Ugh - this thread has me looking at driving routes across country . . .