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A good way to score an under-invoice price may be to check with the huge volume dealers who typically sell for under invoice. Koons in VA comes to mind. The largest volume dealers will also get the largest initial shipments of JL/JLU so they'll be more likely to deal.

Will probably be less than 100 days until an official online reveal. Nowadays manufacturers usually reveal new vehicles online a few days to weeks before the live auto show reveal.

Yea there's LED lights on the front of the fenders now. There's plenty of spy pics of it on the homepage (which you should check out for the most important news so far), including this recent shot. Pics are originally from this thread...

Yep sounds right! The JL grille was leaked here earlier this year -- http://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/leaked-2018-jeep-wrangler-grille.652/

It sounds like the Bronco design/plans are not fully locked in yet if they are waiting on the JL. Will it be 2 and 4 door models? If you have an ear to anyone at Ford tell them the world wants a true Wrangler alternative and not just a tough looking Explorer.

They did a great job tucking the spare up as high as possible underneath the truck. One of the concerns with an undercarriage spare mount was that it would hang too low and kill departure angle. Not the case here. :like:

And beyond all the styling and specs, I think it'll be a more capable yet comfortable vehicle out of the box. The upgraded axles that all trims will come with is a good sign of that.

Nice little new features like this added together should make the car more appealing for potential upgrade by JK owners. Never tried but have considered installing a CB. If all I had to do was buy a CB radio unit, attach antenna and plug in the radio, I might have done it already just for...

So "tow package" includes different engine. Same transmission?

Impressive # for a midsize pickup. WHat's in the towing package that almost doubles the Tacoma's towing capacity?

Camouflage definitely does its job when it comes to hiding body lines. Only after seeing the leaked images do I spot that new body line underneath the windows on the prototypes. You can see it in this one for example

Ack that looks bad like a bad decision by Ford to use aluminum for the truck bed. A bedliner would probably prevent that kind of damage but those don't come standard on the F-150.

Well if it's any indication, they've pulled the current 2017 Grand Cherokee ecodiesel from the website. Ram 1500 still has it available for one model.

See this new spy pic from the other thread? Looks like the grab handles are a molded part of the A pillar.

Welcome to JLWF. Always great to see a local (to me) vendor!

With only a month to go before Easter Safari the debut won't be there since an announcement would have come already. It would have been a great debut venue but probably not the easiest to host the automotive press and to get them out there. The main sticky'd info thread says JL press launch...

Raised vent on the hood? Or maybe air is getting under the camoflage and raising it up.

+1 definitely fake news / link bait type of site.

What's extended QC exactly? And does it affect whether the very early ones off the production line will have more or less issues than later ones?

Yea should be about that time frame. I wonder if it'll be full bore production from the beginning or will they scale up. If it's a gradual ramp up I could see the first few at each dealerships being hot ticket items ripe for dealer gouging :(