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  1. Package / Group Content Breakdown for 2018 JL Wrangler

    With the Sahara and Rubicon coming standard with the technology group the infotainment group will have the android auto and apple CarPlay in it. All the gen 4 7 and 8.4 radios come with both every vehicle.
  2. Verified: Remote Proximity Keyless Entry & Push Button Start for JL / JLU Wrangler

    Not to worry. The key has to be 5 feet from the door handle so it is too far from the other side even on a smaller vehicle like a Renegade or Compass to work. Additionally the proximity doesn't work if the key is inside the vehicle so even when you get in the drivers door, they can't then come...
  3. Difference MSRP and dealer invoice

    Rebates are not reimbursed to the dealer. If they were, why wouldn't they put rebates on everything? or, the same across the board? why would there be special rebates for qualifiers like low credit score rebates, realtors, affiliates, funeral directors, etc? I'm speaking from the inside and if...
  4. Difference MSRP and dealer invoice

    I guess I’m saying the dealers aren’t as scummy as most people think they are. It’s not a easy job, the hours are long and honestly, there a lot of other professions out there that don’t get the scrutiny and the bad omen car dealerships get. Doctors? Lawyers? Real estate agents? Dentists? Do we...
  5. Difference MSRP and dealer invoice

    Rebates are disclosed in a sales transaction and not retainable by the dealers. They must be passed along to the consumer, listed on the buyers order and not something a dealer can get back for themselves. Yes, this is in addition to the holdback, which is designated as “HB” on the second page...
  6. Difference MSRP and dealer invoice

    Easy fella, not trying to start a back and forth here, just sharing info. I just know what I know. If any of those "other dealers" would like to speak up and prove me wrong, I'm happy to have a discussion on how I can get these dealer incentives and keep the customer rebates for profit. For now...
  7. Difference MSRP and dealer invoice

    That may be but the reason for my insight is in my user name. Just saying perception isn't always reality.
  8. Difference MSRP and dealer invoice

    Dealer incentive doesn't exist, any customer rebates go to the customer and are not given to the dealership. Volume bonus is potential and not guaranteed and is paid out monthly to the tune of around 100-600 per vehicle that falls into that months bonus structure. Cost is also added to the...
  9. Difference MSRP and dealer invoice

    They actually do pay invoice - any hold back. That is the true cost to the dealer. Sounds like there is something else there, but it's reality. The stigma of car dealerships just play on people and they think that there is more money hidden somewhere. It's actually not true.
  10. Official 2018 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Order Guide (4-Door JLU - U.S.). Order bank is open!

    Color matched top, fender flares, leather, 8.4 screen, pretty much that.
  11. Official 2018 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Order Guide (4-Door JLU - U.S.). Order bank is open!

    The Convenience group is going to be power windows and locks and the keyless enter and go. The Technology group is going to be the upgrade from the 5.0 to the 7.0 display that includes Apple carplay and Android auto. These features are going to be standard on Sahara and Rubicon with the...
  12. Difference MSRP and dealer invoice

    Probably not as much as you think. It depends on the vehicle. some things like the high priced Pacifica Hybrid have a whopping $100 in mark up from invoice. Yes there is hold back but most dealers also have "pack" that the add to vehicles which is basically a in house doc fee. So really, there...
  13. Order banks open when?

    Don't waste your time. The next allocation is on the 7th of November. Not a chance they open up for orders before that. If by chance the options list and perhaps pricing comes out before that in the dealers's order systems, I'm pretty sure it will somehow get on this site to let you know. At...
  14. JL JLU Wrangler Weight, Tow Capacity, Max Payload Specs

    I'd say its a safety thing as to not putting a class III on there. Maybe the Eruo version does have it, not sure. It may have a Class II. But, outside of the U.S. everything is less stringent as far as government regulatory standards. I'm positive that has something to do with it as well. Maybe...
  15. JL JLU Wrangler Weight, Tow Capacity, Max Payload Specs

    I think that many of you are missing something here. Tow capacity that is published doesn't always have to do with the engine power, the torque, transmission, or any of that. The published max tow ratings are there to make sure that any vehicle manufacturer isn't held responsible for Joe Jackass...
  16. GC Pentastar 8 speed drive similar to JLU Pentastar?

    I can't imagine that there would be anything special about the EGR. This tech has been out for so long that I can only assume that it's not going to be something that is an issue more than anything else.
  17. GC Pentastar 8 speed drive similar to JLU Pentastar?

    I agree the 8 speed with Pentastar will be a great combo. As far as the 8 speed shifting goes. It doesn't have to follow the normal shift pattern. So if you are jamming on it and it is going 60 in 3rd or 4th gear, and let off, it can shift to 8th without going through the progression of the...
  18. JL/JLU Wrangler 2.0L Turbo Gets 368 HP (Source: FCA docs to NHTSA)!

    This above. Considering every other HP figure on that document is exact, along with the VIN placement assignments for each model, not only the new Wrangler, this would be a long painstaking document to dial up and fake.
  19. JL/JLU Wrangler 2.0L Turbo Gets 368 HP (Source: FCA docs to NHTSA)!

    I say it looks like no way but considering the current 2.0 turbo in the Alfa Romeo turns out 280hp, if they made a entirely new engine, it is feasible.


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