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  1. Dealer wants me to sign a new lease contract

    Could not disagree more. The dealership is assuming they are in a stronger negotiation perspective than OP because they have more knowledge of lease law. (and likely, a bit of sexism) Getting an attorney involved levels the playing field; or more likely, tips it in the favor of OP. As...
  2. 2020 Wrangler Engine Catches Fire, Vehicle Burns

    At the expense of sounding like a pyromaniac, I'm saying no on this. MAYBE an engine fire would've gotten hot enough to completely melt a hood. (I doubt it, but let's just say it could happen as a hypothetical). But fires don't burn at uniform temperatures, especially away from their fuel...
  3. 2020 Wrangler Engine Catches Fire, Vehicle Burns

    That's a valid point. NO ONE is riding naked in northern MI in December. The windshield could have conceivably been knocked out by firefighters trying to extinguish the Jeep. But the doors and hood would not have been melted away. And there should have been some remnant of the roof. Is it...
  4. 2020 Wrangler Engine Catches Fire, Vehicle Burns

    Would be interesting to hear a number of things. 1. Was it really the engine? 2. If it was, what was the driver doing prior to this? For instance had he spent 4 hours doing rough offroading? Or was the Jeep parked in the garage and he was just driving to the grocery? 3. Was the Jeep modded? My...
  5. Bright White grille turning yellow

    I posted this some time ago, but it is likely buried in the thread. I spoke to a buddy who works for a company that makes protective paints and sealants for vehicles. He explained it. The issue is a combination of 2 things. The heat from the engine makes the fiberglass more susceptible to...
  6. LED Headlight Fail - Winter Driving

    Fees like we need to reiterate this every time this is discussed. The icing over prevalent on JL's is not an issue of LED vs halogen. Halogens also don't get hot enough to melt ice. Want proof? Drive around in a vehicle with halogens for 3 hours, they'll be slightly warm but still cool...
  7. Need some help.... American Flag Decal

    The US Flag Code says that the American flag should not be used for any advertising purposes, modified into apparel, or a long list of other uses that are ignored. However I can't go to Walmart without seeing someone wearing a stars-and-stripes tshirt or shorts, which is way more of a blatant...
  8. Sahara Unlimited or Rubicon Unlimited

    Where do you plan to move? In my experience, most buyers tend to "overpurchase" Jeeps. What I mean is they buy Jeeps for what they aspire to do versus what they will realistically do. Let me be clear. If you are buying a Jeep that will sit in your garage all week and you're going to be...
  9. Wrangler in the winter?

    Like all others have said, Jeeps' have historically had amazing heaters. This continues with the JL's. You won't be disappointed. Definitely recommend getting one with thermostat climate control, and the cold weather package (remote start, heated seats, heated steering wheel). Very nice in...
  10. Hummer EV

    I'm afraid this thing is destined to be the next G-Wagon: an AWESOMELY capable off-roader that would be amazing on the trails, but based on the price they paid for it, no one will actually take it wheeling. Frankly I see that in many new Rubi's that are 1/2 the cost of this. Too bad, because...
  11. 2021 Wrangler 4XE Launch Brochure reveals unique wheels and gauge cluster

    Good guess, but that's not it. The deal was announced on March 10, 1987, and completed on August 6, 1987. Can't figure out what would've happened on May 25. With Jeep's love of putting Easter Eggs on the Wrangler, I have to believe it means something. Then again, it could just be something...
  12. One-Touch Roof Not Removable?

    Florida has no cooling-off period which would allow you to return a vehicle no-questions-asked (many states do have this law for a defined period of time, usually 3-14 days). However if the dealer intentionally misled you by saying the top is removable, you do have the valid threat of a...
  13. 2021 Jeep with major paint issues (hardtop)!

    The dealership has every incentive to work with you to make this right. If it leads to a shop repair, they get the revenue and Jeep pays the bill (since it will obviously be under warranty). I would expect they'll be more than happy to help you make it right. And if for some weird reason they...
  14. Is the U-connect with Nav a "must have" for most buyers?

    IMO the Nav doesn't do much, except for those rare occassions you're outside cell coverage. Of course this may be when you need Nav the most. However 2 things that come packaged with the Nav are the upgraded sound system (which is super useful, especially if you decide to drive topless a lot)...
  15. Finally ordering a Wrangler suggestion

    Your math makes sense. A few other things to consider. 1. I'm assuming you're going to finance the Jeep and not pay cash. If so, think about the interest rate you'd pay on the Rubicon purchase. Rolling in the extra $8k at the lower interest rate would easily offset the $500 savings if you...
  16. 2021 Jeep Wrangler Official Specs & Details. 80th Anniversary and Islander Editions Announced

    Weird that they aren't doing special colors for the island edition. When they did the island on the JK , they had a a couple custom color options. The white hardtop did look sweet on the JK's, but I wonder whether it will remain looking white or fade/yellow over time. Plus here's what I never...
  17. 2021 WRANGLER BUILD AND PRICE IS UP!!!

    I realize I may be hypocritical (driving a white Jeep), but cmon, FCA! The bright color options helped to brand the Wrangler as a "fun" vehicle. Now they'll have the same boring white, black, grey options that every other car on the road has.
  18. 2021 WRANGLER BUILD AND PRICE IS UP!!!

    I hope this is just a glitch, but the color options are BORING. Look at the Rubicon - other than white, black, and 50 shades of gray, the only options are yellow or red. No more blue. Or orange. Still no purple (which looked good on the JK's). While the army green is a nice touch, the 2...
  19. Towing with a soft top

    This may seem a bit shady, but do you have a buddy with a pickup who would just go pickup the Uhaul trailer for you? And then get it back to your place and attach to your Jeep?
  20. Looking to buy a Rubicon - advice please.

    Here I have a challenge for you. Go to a dealership (preferably on a weekday afternoon when they aren't busy and you won't be interrupting them from helping other customers). Tell the dealer you plan to order a Jeep, but first want to do an experiment. Ask him to pull up a V6 and a 2.0T...



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