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  1. Jeep owners household income

    I completely agree. All I was trying to say was when you look at the spread of incomes it is not surprising to me that the early adopters are majority people with a higher income. People who are retired, have homes paid off etc are less common than people like myself. I would hazard a guess...
  2. Jeep owners household income

    You misinterpreted what I am saying. I am talking the total cost of the vehicle in relation to your annual income, not the annual cost. So if you are making under 60k a year and you bought a JL, you could have very easily spent anywhere from 50-100% of your annual income on a car. Not bashing...
  3. Jeep owners household income

    Personally I would not spend 50-100% of my annual income on a car.... although damn it I would love to
  4. Jeep owners household income

    I mean you are also polling early adopters of the most expensive Jeep yet... probably going to see that answer skewed towards the higher end of the spectrum for the time being. I think most people did answer honestly since it is not like people see your answer as an individual
  5. Looks Like Ford Bronco is Serious About Taking on the Wrangler

    It is a little ironic to me to read about people bashing Ford quality control and interior quality. Jeep does a terrible job with both of those and has for years. I don't think the off-road capability of this will be what determines the sales. If it looks good and drives well, it will sell...
  6. Racechip piggyback tuner for 2.0 JL

    Not sure I can answer all your questions but I can shed some light on some issues. Large gains from tunes and/or simple mods are pretty standard on forced induction engines. Honestly, these numbers are not all that massive. N54 guys used to get 70/100 from a tune, throw on a larger intercooler...
  7. Max's OEM+ Rubicon Build

    A decent wrap place can do it with the wheels on. I am not sure I recommend it for a permanent color change. I wanted to try out the look as I was really considering keeping the stock wheel. I got a decent price for the wrap and got to test out the look, but obviously it scratches up offroad...
  8. Question about Backbone security cover

    Yep you are right on both counts.
  9. Question about Backbone security cover

    But it was a small opening so if you wanted to retain the ability to use the mattress it would not work anyway
  10. Question about Backbone security cover

    I swear I remember seeing a product that had an opening to allow just like what you are talking about but I cannot seem to find it now.
  11. What should I expect from my dealer

    An interesting piece of reading on how manufacturers have slowly increased invoice price on cars (relative to MSRP) over the years, even since that information became more easily available to the public, precisely so they can trick people into thinking they are at bottom line when they are...
  12. What should I expect from my dealer

    I can respect the point you are making here,but to me it is circular logic. Because a portion of customers are poorly educated and have an attitude, the dealerships are justified by responding in kind? I have no problem being treated how I treat other people, so treat the jerk customers like a...
  13. What should I expect from my dealer

    Ahh I did not see your location. For those of us stateside, the new JL is certainly at a premium from the JK, but the JK is very affordable and plentiful. Still not many of those in the lot
  14. What should I expect from my dealer

    This is true. But then again, even though I bought most of my cars used it was often from dealerships and they at least had passion for their product. That was true of my M3 and my CTS-V... maybe not the whole dealership but there was always one or two salesman who you could tell just loved M...
  15. What should I expect from my dealer

    Yeah they were really not happy about me asking for a loaner... almost as unhappy as I was to be needing a loaner haha. It is incredible how unorganized these people are though. Had the Jeep for weeks and when it comes back, the steel bumper that were supposed to be installed when I bought the...
  16. What should I expect from my dealer

    I'm not sure why you think I would be trolling, maybe I did not really communicate my question well enough. My only other vehicle I purchased new was a GMC Yukon Denali. Yes GMC is a "luxury" brand, but essentially it straddles the lineup between Chevrolet and Cadillac in the GM portfolio...
  17. Jeep women with long hair - I need your help

    When my wife was still working her advertising job (business casual) she would usually just put her hair up for the drive and then take it down when she got to work. Otherwise, she tended to favor the ponytail pulled through a nice hat (like a nike jogging hat or something similar). Never tried...
  18. What should I expect from my dealer

    I have owned a few different vehicles in different brands (or brand envelopes) but my experience dealing with dealerships is pretty limited as I normally buy used and do what I can myself or find a shop that I try to build a modding/ maintenance relationship with. When I take my car in for...
  19. Frustrated with all the advice

    No man not all. Just genuinely curious if you had either an experience with them that was negative, or just did not feel that they were that useful of a product. I know some people have had issues with stripping the teeth etc, but I personally have had good experiences with them. I never made...
  20. Frustrated with all the advice

    Why do you say that? There are plenty of situations where just airing down is not enough to get you out if you hit a soft spot and unless you have another jeep or an earth anchor, you are going to wish you had something like the maxtrax. I've been there
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