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  1. Biggest mark up for a 392 so far? MSRP of 80k - Dealer price of 125k!

    True, dealers do this, but not without reason. Pre launch, the very wealthy, early adopters ran to their nearest dealer, opened up their pocketbooks and said, “I don’t care what it costs me, just charge me and get it to me.” Then there was strong demand and perceived limited supply. The...
  2. DV8

    No, that’s where you will find that they have… DV8’ed. :CWL: Because DV8 is what they do. If you buy their products you will be considered a DV8.
  3. Dealer says best to wait for 22's

    No no no: I was speaking about total or gross revenue per unit. They gross that and possibly more. For clarity, here’s what I was thinking of for gross profit and net profit: [(Sales price - cost)] = Gross profit [(Sales price - cost)] x 0.03 = Net profit. I am assuming that 97% of whatever...
  4. Dealer says best to wait for 22's

    Oh they will. The cost vs profit for these highly coveted machines is ridiculously good for the dealer and the manufacturer. If 12 units sell at average MSRP $80K (most sell well over), that’s an additional $960K added to the company’s bottom line. If there are +/- 100 available per month...
  5. Jeep Ducking (Duck Duck Jeep)

    Of course! I’ll also duck you if I come across yours. :)
  6. No Squatting JL's in NC

    Now we know why, ALL THIS TIME, some people have complained about their Wrangler’s steering... this is what their rigs looked like And this
  7. What in the world is going on in Toledo?

    All good points. Who knows what options he ordered? Manual transmission? Diesel engine? Half doors? Dual door package? What trim? My advice was based on the finger pointing and him being unable to get a consistent response from anyone involved in the process.
  8. What in the world is going on in Toledo?

    Yes. Yes cancel. No more waiting. Go somewhere else. This is no longer about patience. This is about respecting the facts of reality and refusing to live in delusion. @markbum Quit allowing yourself to get slapped around by the dealer. GO AND BUY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. Or don’t. It’s only...
  9. What in the world is going on in Toledo?

    Cancel and go buy somewhere else.
  10. 2021 rear view mirror double vision

    It’s just the rumbling from the mighty Mercedes Benz G63 AMG that’s behind you.
  11. Would you switch to a jt?? Why, or why not?

    No Don’t compromise. Get this
  12. Lift kits: What is everyone running? How do you like it? (2.5"-3.5")

    That makes sense. I haven’t really looked but if a larger brake master cylinder and booster are available, if I were running oversize tires, I’d upgrade.
  13. Lift kits: What is everyone running? How do you like it? (2.5"-3.5")

    Have you upgraded any of the critical braking system components? Not just the brakes and pads? Extended the lines? 40’s are going to look great but you’ll need as much functional stopping power as you can get.
  14. Front Bumper Hi Lift Mount Options

    It’ll rust quicker there. Fabricate something for inside the cab.
  15. Are Dealerships Still Pricing Under Invoice?

    On 4Xe’s? “Great” deals are all subjective. What’s “great” to one buyer may not be so great to you. My advice? Don’t be so unreasonable and unrelenting towards pricing expectations that you miss out in getting the Jeep that you want. If that hot deal that someone else is bragging about sounds...
  16. How do you know if you get all terrain or all season tires? (Sahara)

    You do: ditch whatever comes from the factory and upgrade.