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The white looks really good with the 4xe blue accents

We bought a Honda that was the biggest POS with non stop issues that the dealer could never reproduce and wouldn't accept my video proof, because "it has to do it while plugged in to our diagnostic tool". Multiple new GM and Ford vehicles, Jeeps, even a first model year Ram with very little trouble.

Thanks for the info. It will be interesting to see the results as everyone starts getting their hands on them. I know my Ram gets the best mpg on those backroad 50-60 mph trips, anything above that and mpg drops.

Nothing from the state of Ohio should ever be blue and yellow

I agree with dalema. If you credit score is in the high range, getting 2.9 or lower shouldn't be a problem. I have played the dealership financing game before. In my early 20s in Southern California one salesman walked out with a 11% offer, and told me I didn't qualify for the 0% for 60...

If you have the credit score to get 0% and they offered you 4.9 I would show up with pre approved financing from somewhere else and laugh at them

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If you mean by driving 400 miles non stop on the highway, I think you would struggle to achieve that given the EPA numbers. If you mean over multiple trips where the battery can be charged in between, you could easily go 400 miles between trips to the gas station.

I think two things explain it 1. People think 49 MPGe = MPG 2. It will get better fuel consumption if you are doing a short commute and charging every night. If you are trying to drive 100 miles a day or more without charging the diesel is going to pull ahead

Yes, but the power is instant with electric, no building up rpm to reach the max power, which should be more than enough for a daily commute through town. If you want to win a drag race at the stop light you would want to switch to hybrid mode. The stop and go driving around town is where you...

That is not what MPGe means

I have looked at the site, only on the diesel is the Rubicon separate. No clue why that is, but the other options are 2 dr, 4 dr, and 4xe. The 2 and 4 door option break it out by drive train, no difference between trims, so it is safe to assume they test whatever will give the best numbers.

More than just the weight factors into it. The wheels, gearing, and height, also can impact the fuel economy

If they indicate Rubicon, they would indicate Sahara. Even the jeep website gives one number for both. Just like with the Ram, the certify for engines, not trim levels.

I think the question is more along the lines of, is the 20 mpg estimate on gas only or is that the best you can hope to achieve in hybrid mode? Obviously you use zero gas for the 21 miles of all electric mode, which would drastically reduce fuel consumption. That would be great for my commute...

You're going to have to provide something to back these statements up. I have no doubt I could achieve a 52 mpg average during a city commute, especially if I run the first 20 miles on electric only. However I have a hard time believing you are getting 45mpg on a long highway trip

I don't think that was the intent

I think the combined mpg is the most surprising. My ram is rated at 19 combined, but actually gets 17-18. Although with the majority of my days only going 30-40 miles, I would use less than a gallon of gas, I still expected a little more out of this. With the $7500 rebate it still is a good...

I assume people are talking larger capacity, not larger in physical size. Based on technology improvements you should be able to produce a smaller physical footprint while still having "more power"

I have no doubt that the aftermarket will eventually produce replacement batteries with more power/range. It just probably won't make financial sense in the immediate future for most people