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  1. Clutch Recall (FCA W12 | 20V-124) on 2018-2020 JL Manuals [overheating clutch pressure plate]

    It stands to reason that if the problem doesn't exist with the 2021 models, replace all the effected jeeps with the inferior design with the one used in the 2021 model. The reason as always is dollars, cost. FCA doesn't want to spend the money. The are looking for a cheap bandaid like returning...
  2. Safety packages - initial thoughts

    Yes the operative word is paying attention. With the advent of cell phones many drivers are to busy texting or talking on their phones. This is an accident in waiting.
  3. Safety packages - initial thoughts

    I agree with all your assessments, I ordered my JL through the factory with BSW and Cross-Path detection. They work great, and come especially when driving at night, or in backing out from shopping center lots. I believe the option was in the realm of $589, now I think it's approaching $900+...
  4. Another Dealership 6 quart “Free” Oil Change.

    Thanks for the beer suggestion. I will try it next time. But I need to share it with my wife, since she handles the clean up. It's unbelievable, that technicians haven't yet learned to count .
  5. Another Dealership 6 quart “Free” Oil Change.

    Unfortunately this has been a problem with Jeep as well as other makes of cars. I had Chevrolet dealership overflow my corvette by a quart. Brought the vehicle back (50 miles round trip) and they said that it was corrected. Guess what, yes still 6 quarts. I has a Toyota dealership change my...
  6. I love my Rubicon - it’s AC, not so much...

    The jet engine noise from the air conditioner has been an ongoing issue. The noise doesn't bother me (2 door soft top), it cools great and I can't hear it in the inside. I reside in Arizona where the temperature today will be 114. This is a hot state and air conditioning is a way of life. The...
  7. When’s the Refresh coming?

    Personally I would wait until early next year when the Broncos will be really available. Ford has a dealership as well as service department. I ordered my 2018JL Sport S and was fortunate to have not experienced some of our unfortunate posters have told us about. My dealership, parts and...
  8. Advice on Buying a Rubicon

    I would be aware of the hidden cost dealers can and do add to a new vehicle. In Arizona they normally add $1200 to $1500 dollars to the price for Micky mouse dealer add on items. Make sure it's clearly outlined in the contract you sign. In my case they said the opposite and I had to have the...
  9. FCA lack of quality check

    Well put, much food for contemplation.
  10. FCA lack of quality check

    You are one of the fortunate one's, as I'am, regarding a trouble free 2018 Wrangler. But I wouldn't add any disparaging remarks regarding the feelings of others. Who are we to judge what they are experiencing.
  11. FCA lack of quality check

    COBill. Well put summation, I was fortunate with my 2018 which I ordered, but having owned many new and used jeeps I can attest to their poor quality and inept service. On the bright side, there is a culture which believe, and its true, that the jeep has no competition at this juncture. Which...
  12. FCA lack of quality check

    I'm sorry for all these screw ups you guys experienced with FCA. I gave up on my dealership the minute I determined their service department as well as their service managers were a waste and incompetent. Unless FCA undertakes a concerted effort to better management their franchises, they will...
  13. JL Reliability Opinions/Thoughts

    The only success I had with FCA, was to write directly to the head man, CEO, I copied the dealership management. Never heard from local dealership (No surprise), but within 2 weeks we received a call from a CEO representative. The bottom line, I was given a direct connection to their local...
  14. JL Reliability Opinions/Thoughts

    Boy what a nightmare, I'm sorry to hear about your experiences. With respect to the dealership service, I wonder if they are even mechanics. I suspect if their secretaries aren't busy, they fill in for their mechanics. But then I realized, that they are the best of the choices.
  15. Sliced 2 BFG KO2s 10 minutes apart on Arkansas trails

    Sorry to see this happen. I once took a trip outside Florence AZ to some coke ovens a few years back, and the Firestone tires (all 4), had to be replaced. The vehicle was a 74 GMC Jimmy, and my buddy who I'ave done a lot of off-roading had to vomit twice. Me, I just grabbed another cold brew.
  16. Court finds Mahindra Roxor is a copy of the Jeep

    Interesting, I didn't know it was street certified. Being an old-Old jeep owner of several CJ 5 and 7's it drew my interest. Yes FCA needs to protect their interest. Almost bought a Defender 90 a few years back, to expensive, their newer version being manufactured is in the realm of a JL...
  17. JL Reliability Opinions/Thoughts

    No issues 2018 2D Sport with manual. Replaced the steering damper when I noticed a wobble (Flagstaff AZ) RT 40 when I hit a few pot holes. Replaced it my self ($46.00) and never reimbursed by FCA even though they said they would cover the cost. In any case, Vett. your dealership and parts...
  18. Bummed after soft top vandalized :/

    You feel like you were violated, which you were. I went on a cruise with my wife a few years back and left my Mustang Conv. parked in a garage opposite the ships departure tour. After returning, I notices the top had a large knife cut inside and a note was left on the windshield by the San...
  19. Clutch Recall (FCA W12 | 20V-124) on 2018-2020 JL Manuals [overheating clutch pressure plate]

    Just a few overscrupulous · scrupulous · precise · exact · over-exacting · perfectionist · precisionist · punctilious · meticulous · fussy
  20. Advice on Buying a Rubicon

    First and foremost I'm sorry about your wedding plans being interrupted by COVID-19, my son had the same problem in LA after months of planning. My best to you and you partner, I'm sure you will be married for many years, stay committed and be especially safe. You will love the Rubicon, just...



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