About to order with 3.6l etorque - anyone have one yet?

[AnnDee4444]

If it operates the same as the 2.0, the BSG also charges the battery during up-shifts by slowing the motor to better rev-match the next gear. In theory, this should lead to quicker or smoother shifts.

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[SecondTJ]

Does 3.6 eTorque add any horsepower or foot pounds? Specs I find seem to say it’s the same.

That’s because eTorque doesn’t operate above 1500 rpm. So it doesn’t add to the peak power numbers that are advertised.

 

[Adamoni]

Thanks. That explains no HP gains I’d think it’d give a few pound feet of torque to the specs. Stop and go driving was noticeably smoother.

 

[AnnDee4444]

As far as I know, nobody knows for sure the cutoff RPM or if the quoted torque is just peak. I've heard 1500 RPM and first half tire rotation (with no mention of gearing), but never seen any official specs.

FWIW: below is the torque by RPM. The values in red could have up to an additional 90 lb-ft, but are likely far less in the higher RPMs to make a smoother transition.


RPM Torque lb-ft
1000 119
1100 135.3
1200 148.7
1300 160.2
1400 170
1500 178.5
1600 185.9
1700 192.5
1800 198.4
1900 203.5
2000 208.3
2100 212.5
2200 216.4
2300 219.9
2400 223.2
2500 226.1
2600 228.8
2700 231.4
2800 233.8
2900 236
3000 238
3100 239.9
3200 241.7
3300 243.4
3400 245
3500 246.5
3600 247.9
3700 249.3
3800 250.5
3900 251.8
4000 252.9
4100 254
4200 255
4300 256
4400 256.9
4500 257.8
4600 258.7
4700 259.5
4800 260.3
4900 260.3
5000 259.9
5100 259.4
5200 258.7
5300 257.7
5400 256.6
5500 255.2
5600 253.7
5700 251.9
5800 250
5900 247.8
6000 245.4
6100 242.8
6200 240
6300 237
6400 233.8
6500 229.3
6600 223.1

 

[SecondTJ]

Found a couple quotes from press launch

“The electric motor’s output of up to 16 hp/90 lb-ft doesn’t get figured in because it spins three times for every turn of the engine and by the time the engines reach their peak power the electric motor output is negligible.”


“The extra oomph comes in when the gas engines are at low speed, like between idle and 1,500 rpm, before they are able to produce bigger torque numbers on their own. The hybrid system broadens the torque band as opposed to adding to peak torque available.”

 

[AnnDee4444]

“The electric motor’s output of up to 16 hp/90 lb-ft doesn’t get figured in because it spins three times for every turn of the engine and by the time the engines reach their peak power the electric motor output is negligible.”

Assuming those numbers are at the crankshaft, and knowing that the motor puts out 16 HP max, the 3.6 BSG torque curve at best will look like this:

RPM lb-ft
0900 90
1000 84
1100 76
1200 70
1300 65
1400 60
1500 56

 

[AnnDee4444]

Assuming those numbers are at the crankshaft, and knowing that the motor puts out 16 HP max, the 3.6 BSG torque curve at best will look like this:

RPM lb-ft
0900 90
1000 84
1100 76
1200 70
1300 65
1400 60
1500 56

In reality, it's probably something like this:

 

[mreloc]

You all are way too smart for me

 

[Lou3.6]

It's a 90 ft/lb electric motor, but only adds it on the bottom end of the RPMs. Basically a short burst of torque to get the vehicle moving from a stop, reducing the amount of fuel needed to do so. It doesn't add anything on the top end, as its being used as a generator to replenish the battery at that point.

It never was intended to add high-end torque . . . if you've seen the video where the Tech is riding along with the vlogger.
he fully explains the 6 functions of the eTorque system. the 3 I most like are the SMOOTH/NEARLY SEAMLESS start/stop, the gas savings, and the improved mpg's. The other 3 are a bit "techy" for me but worth noting . just my opinion .
Only problem now is the 2020's are greatly limited in the eTorque offerings on Wranglers . SO, If I were in the market for a 2020 Wrangler, I'd compromise in order to get the improved mpg, improved torque and "spunky" off the line feel (if/when desired, ha) with the 2.0 !

 

[Lou3.6]

Does 3.6 eTorque add any horsepower or foot pounds? Specs I find seem to say it’s the same. Also, I drove with and without eTorque. The ESS is definitely smoother so much so I would get it if that was the vehicle I wanted. Actually I’m sprained there isn’t more on the subject.

Your not trying very hard ? There is MUCH to be found on the U-T, going back to the very Introduction of the system !
you can also go to Other FCA-friendly Forums . . . 5th Gen Ram or Gladiator + again a specific U-T search will reward you with more watching than time on your hands .

 

[Adamoni]

It never was intended to add high-end torque . . . if you've seen the video where the Tech is riding along with the vlogger.
he fully explains the 6 functions of the eTorque system. the 3 I most like are the SMOOTH/NEARLY SEAMLESS start/stop, the gas savings, and the improved mpg's. The other 3 are a bit "techy" for me but worth noting . just my opinion .
Only problem now is the 2020's are greatly limited in the eTorque offerings on Wranglers . SO, If I were in the market for a 2020 Wrangler, I'd compromise in order to get the improved mpg, improved torque and "spunky" off the line feel (if/when desired, ha) with the 2.0 !

I don't understand. There must be a gas savings. Why does't the mpg on window sticker reflect any increase?

 

[Adamoni]

Your not trying very hard ? There is MUCH to be found on the U-T, going back to the very Introduction of the system !
you can also go to Other FCA-friendly Forums . . . 5th Gen Ram or Gladiator + again a specific U-T search will reward you with more watching than time on your hands .

I don't know what U-T is and not being savvy I suppose I am only looking at this motor inside the Sahara. Thanks.

 

[mreloc]

I don't understand. There must be a gas savings. Why does't the mpg on window sticker reflect any increase?

I think it is reflected by about 1 mpg in comparison to the 3.6l without eTorque

 

[Sean L]

I don't understand. There must be a gas savings. Why does't the mpg on window sticker reflect any increase?

City mileage will be better than a model without a start/stop system, its not going to improve highway mileage.

 

[Sean L]

It never was intended to add high-end torque

Essentially what I was saying, as on the mid and high range RPMs its recharging the battery instead of adding any torque.

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