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I don't know how you can say that -- they certainly have their place, and I know a lot of people who own them who are happy.
FYI, my current daily-driver scores 11.4 mpg
FYI, my current daily-driver scores 11.4 mpg
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Plenty of people do love them and that is there perogative. In my experience with an albeit small sample size across 3 different hybrid types they have been overwhelmingly crap. My in laws have had several and the prius in particular is downright frightening to drive in more than 3 iches of snow.I don't know how you can say that -- they certainly have their place, and I know a lot of people who own them who are happy.
FYI, my current daily-driver scores 11.4 mpg
Just curious, what vehicle did you have?Having owned an electric auto I will not buy a hybrid in the near future. They cannot last. Maintenance is a killer. A 1966 Willy's still has value because it is simple to use and maintain.
Definitely true about the maintenance thing. One of the things I like most about the CJ, YJ, TJ and hate about the JL is the ease of maintenance. In the CJ, YJ, TJ I have room to get at things...I don't have to take a bunch off stuff off to reach what I need to work on. Dreading working on this Pentastar 3.6. As far as sale value jeeps in general are like gold. They just don't drop much in value. Not sure about an hybrid e-jeep as only time will tell but I imagine that it wouldn't hold its value as well since batteries have a very limited lifespan. IMHO the only way that a 10yr old e-jeep with out-value a conventional jeep would be if the government mandates the use of hybrid e-vehicles. Nobody is going to want to buy a 10 yr old hybrid jeep knowing that the battery has reached its lifespan and that they will have to shell out $5-10k to get a new one. We're already seeing that in Prius' now.Having owned an electric auto I will not buy a hybrid in the near future. They cannot last. Maintenance is a killer. A 1966 Willy's still has value because it is simple to use and maintain.
Vangard Sebring CitiCar V48.Just curious, what vehicle did you have?
If it's like the Pacifica Hybrid, it will have a 10 year / 150,000 mile warranty on the battery. It's likely that most initial buyers will sell their Wrangler Hybrid long before battery replacement prices become a consideration. The 2nd or 3rd buyers will likely have to consider that. I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't sell it if it wasn't highly waterproof... it's still a wrangler after all. I've never heard of hybrid resale rates being atrocious... is that a thing that I'm not aware of?Here would be my concerns if I was the one purchasing:
1) What's the warranty on the hybrid?
2) How much is it going to cost to replace that battery pack out of warranty? (A lot.)
3) How is it going to handle water, particularly standing water on the roadway and small water crossings off road?
4) Will I be able to do any work on this thing in my own driveway to save money in the future?
5) What's the reliability going to look like compared to the standard engine options? (Probably worse.)
6) What's the resale value going to look like? (My guess is atrocious.)
7) How much curb weight is that battery pack going to add? And how much payload/towing is that going to kill? (Probably 50% of it)
8) How will this sophisticated hybrid system affect insurance rates?
9) How much ground clearance is going to be lost to the battery pack hanging low under the body?
10) What is the maintenance schedule going to be?
To me, "Wrangler" and "Hybrid" aren't two words that go together. I have a friend who owns a Toyota Highlander (I think) that is a hybrid and this past summer he was hauling some water containers in the cargo area. One of them turned over and spilled in his cargo area and killed his battery system. I think it was $3,500 to get it running again. No thanks. I'll pass. Gasoline combustion has worked for over 100 years. It's just fine for another 100.
Federal emission law requires an 8 yr 80,000 mile warranty on the generator and 48v power pack so that is what is listed in the 2019 Jeep warranty manual. I wouldn't buy it because it is far too complicated and requires premium gas which, cost-wise, does away with the small increase in mileage improvement. Also, the extra battery causes more pollution because battery manufacturing is one of the most toxic processes.If it's like the Pacifica Hybrid, it will have a 10 year / 150,000 mile warranty on the battery. It's likely that most initial buyers will sell their Wrangler Hybrid long before battery replacement prices become a consideration. The 2nd or 3rd buyers will likely have to consider that. I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't sell it if it wasn't highly waterproof... it's still a wrangler after all. I've never heard of hybrid resale rates being atrocious... is that a thing that I'm not aware of?
I don't think that the Pacifica Hybrid requires premium gas... at least that is what is listed on www.fueleconomy.govFeI wouldn't buy it because it is far too complicated and requires premium gas which, cost-wise, does away with the small increase in mileage improvement.
Jeep and EPA say premium gas, without it performand and mileage go down.I don't think that the Pacifica Hybrid requires premium gas... at least that is what is listed on www.fueleconomy.gov