Billy
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Couldn't agree more! It'd also be nice if they had some recline adjustment like the GC. I'd be shocked if FCA hasn't addressed this on the JL/JT.
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No doubt, the wrangler could really improve the seating options, and I would think w/o adding additional weight to them.One thing that has always bugged me about my JKU is how uncomfortable, the back seats are for normal to large adults. They are almost straight up and down. It looks to me like the back seats in the rendering are slightly more reclined than the the JK, which would be great if that was the case. Anyone else think so? I can't find an image at the right angle to compare.
IMO... The angle of the JK's front head restraint leaves much to be desired too.One thing that has always bugged me about my JKU is how uncomfortable, the back seats are for normal to large adults. They are almost straight up and down. It looks to me like the back seats in the rendering are slightly more reclined than the the JK, which would be great if that was the case. Anyone else think so? I can't find an image at the right angle to compare.
Looks slightly more reclined to me too.One thing that has always bugged me about my JKU is how uncomfortable, the back seats are for normal to large adults. They are almost straight up and down. It looks to me like the back seats in the rendering are slightly more reclined than the the JK, which would be great if that was the case. Anyone else think so? I can't find an image at the right angle to compare.
Sure does look like it is more reclined! Nice pic... Yay I noticed something on the JLLooks slightly more reclined to me too.
Seems like they made this work in the Cherokee. It's probably wishful thinking, but let's hope they bring it over to the Wrangler.The important thing is not just making it more reclined but ADJUSTABLE. One seating position for all does not make sense.
I'm not sure I follow. As far as I can tell even in the JKU they could make it recline further and be adjustable without changing much. If there's something that prevents adding this functionality to the current design I must be missing it. At most they might have to make the bottom side of the rear seatbacks "cut in" very slightly so it can angle backwards.The ability to add adjustable seats though is greatly impacted by the small lower space in which it must sit and in the ability to lay them flat for storage.
Even the current slight up-angle is annoying for storage, so turning it into an even less flat surface the way the current (easy to install) seat recliners do, is a bad tradeoff for many, and works better under the current scenario if it's just a tilt and not full adjustsbility.
The JL front fenders look wider to me in stock form (resulting in that longer hood) so I think there will be plenty of room between the quarter panel and front bumper for even the widest of fender flares/tube fenders.Right off the bat I can tell there are probably going to be issues with the fender vent and some third party fenders (like Metal Cloak) playing nicely. It may limit the way they can design their fenders or they will be forced to take the riskier option of offering a fender+panel kit.
Take a look in the back of your JKU and you will notice 2 impediments: floor depth/height and the rear wheel-arches.I'm not sure I follow. As far as I can tell even in the JKU they could make it recline further and be adjustable without changing much. If there's something that prevents adding this functionality to the current design I must be missing it.
Not getting where the cut-in is located, but if it's for the wheel-arch then that goes higher and deeper than you think. It's likely also a safety issue having a body or the seat in line with it in a side impact, so reclining past it is likely not an attractive option if it can be avoided.At most they might have to make the bottom side of the rear seatbacks "cut in" very slightly so it can angle backwards.
Based on existing examples that's been the tradeoff, I'm sure a more elaborate approach could be applied, but there are very few examples that have as cramped an interior (floor, width, wheel-arches) from which to make the adjustable seats.As for storage issues, why would making it adjustable make it fold even less flat than on the JKU?
I'm not sure what everyone else has in mind but for me, it's simple what they need to do with the seat backs. I want 2 adjustable positions. First is almost straight up like the current JKU back seating position. Then a reclined position of 5-10 degrees.Take a look in the back of your JKU and you will notice 2 impediments: floor depth/height and the rear wheel-arches.
You can account for this with a pivoting solution, but it exacerbates the complexity/cost issue, and most implementations even further inhibit lay-flat. Even just the elevated seatbed does that, but not as much as a pivot design.
Not getting where the cut-in is located, but if it's for the wheel-arch then that goes higher and deeper than you think. It's likely also a safety issue having a body or the seat in line with it in a side impact, so reclining past it is likely not an attractive option if it can be avoided.
Yeah, I know in the JK you're still in between (we remove ours), but it's also a 2 seater in back with a bit of a space buffer, and if you put the recliner to the then again better as 2 sests than 3. People do put after market suspension captain chairs back there, but again only 2 and totally messes with flat storage.
If it's for behind the seat (which would at least be required) we don't need no more gaps for toys, tools and random work/ski gloves lost behind thenm seats. ;-)
Based on existing examples that's been the tradeoff, I'm sure a more elaborate approach could be applied, but there are very few examples that have as cramped an interior (floor, width, wheel-arches) from which to make the adjustable seats.
I'm all for improving the rear (even though only kids use mine for anything more than the the adults getting a lift trip to/from work lunch/dinner, etc for 5-15 mins), but not willing to trade off flatter storage for the seats in my case, so it needs to be designed with that in mind and done right.
Floor isn't as deep as other vehicles because the Wrangler rides well above the driveline. Can't add stow & go seats like in other SUVs/Crossovers etc.I'm not sure what everyone else has in mind but for me, it's simple what they need to do with the seat backs. I want 2 adjustable positions. First is almost straight up like the current JKU back seating position. Then a reclined position of 5-10 degrees.
I'm no engineer but I've taken a look at my JKU and I don't see why floor depth/height prevents this unless you are referring to the wheel arches blocking it. From what I can tell even the current design could be rigged to make the seats recline more (and in fact there are JKU owners who have done it themselves with washers).