“ New vehicles must average 40 mpg by 2026 under US standards ”

[Chocolate Thunder]

They aren't good at innovating; hence, all the external motivations and even then they kick, scream, fight, and drag their feet (/point emissions controls, OBD-I). It took about three decades to innovate in response to the oil embargo (making weak engines to improve MPG isn't innovation). This is why Toyota and Honda are popular in the US.

I, for one, prefer to avoid the "messy middle".


mmmmhhhhmmmmm!

The reason for the innovation during the 70’s oil embargo/fuel crisis was that there simply wasn’t much gasoline to be had and when it was available it was far more expensive than the American consumer public was used to paying. Solution? Importing and purchasing Japanese imports. Enter Honda, Toyota, Datsun in huge numbers. Even with big import duties attached the cars were built better, more efficient, and still cheaper than the garbage the Big 3 had been providing Americans for decades. So the American auto industry was forced to adapt or die. It took a long time. Most 80’s cars were simply awful. Nothing Chrysler produced between the muscle car era and about 2000 was worth owning. It took quite a while for “American innovation” to catch up to where the rest of the world had been since the 60’s. The only reason they did is pure survival.

So it seems that as the entire rest of the world sees clearly that fossil fuels are phasing out, the US is still last in line to get with the program and stop whining and do something better. Electric cars have been around long enough for there to be full infrastructure in place to support them throughout the whole country. Nope. What about hydrogen cells? Any significant progress from the Big 3 on that? Not really. And I predict that there won’t be until they have to adapt or die. Their hand will have to be forced by government intervention or more likely, market factors. Then and only then will they do better.

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[SaintNick]

They aren't good at innovating; hence, all the external motivations and even then they kick, scream, fight, and drag their feet (/point emissions controls, OBD-I). It took about three decades to innovate in response to the oil embargo (making weak engines to improve MPG isn't innovation). This is why Toyota and Honda are popular in the US.

I think people like Toyota and Honda because they are reliable. Now that Toyota is adding turbos to their engines their reliability will probably be on par with other manufacturers.

 

[four low]

Never going to happen at least not anytime soon

Actually, it has already started. Washington State will be banning the sale and registration of new ICE vehicles starting 2030. Ten more states and California are doing likewise by 2035. The ICE vehicles that escape the EV net will probably be banned by refusal to allow registration.
The conversation of existing ICE to EV has been demonstrated by the Magneto concept.
This is a smart way to do it, rather than " throw out the Baby with the Bathwater"

 

[aldo98229]

Washington State is not banning ICEs by 2030!

Washington state’s “car” is a rusted out Ford F-250 spewing diesel fumes as it were I.V. for the local evergreens ...

Washington State’s “car” in its natural habitat

 

[gato]

Jeep is way behind their product plans, unless they have a flurry of launches this year:

By 2022 they were supposed to have:

• A brand new Renegade
• A brand new Cherokee
• A brand new Jeep below the Renegade
• A brand new Low-D segment 3 row (likely Cherokee)
• A Grand Commander
• Three all electric vehicles

That is a tall order, since none of the above has been announced and the Cherokee factory continues to announce major layoffs.

 

[oceanbretzke]

Washington State is not banning ICEs by 2030!

Washington state’s “car” is a rusted out Ford F-250 spewing diesel fumes as it were I.V. for the local evergreens ...

Washington State’s “car” in its natural habitat

I wasn’t going to point this out lol

 

[Equitasforall]

I see it now... the next news flash will be something akin to "STELLANTIS introduces the new, limited edition, Heritage Edition Jeep Wrangler."

Dearborn, Michigan - Stellantis, the parent company that produces popular Jeep and Ram vehicles, as well as vehicles under the decidedly less popular Chrysler nameplate, announced today that they will be introducing a limited production "Heritage Edition" version of its Wrangler and Ram products in response to increase fuel economy standards announced by the Department of Transportation on 1 April 2022.

A company spokesperson stated that the "Heritage Edition" lines will include the 3.6L, 2.0T, and 392 working museum quality replica internal combustion engines so that owners can complete their personal collection. Stellantis emphasized that political pressure and economic trends impacting fuel prices have forced automakers to advance their transition to EV and alternative fuel source powered vehicles, but the political climate also instantly developed an entire generation of "modern classic car collectors" whose small, personal, often single unit "collections" would not be complete without the new Heritage Edition trim lines and their classic, fully functional, working replica power plants.

While Stellantis and individual brand spokesmen did not release pricing details, consumers can expect a price increase in the range of 20-25% or more as often seen with other "limited edition" runs. The company did hint that only approximately 250,000 of these special "Heritage Edition" vehicles powered by the individual privately owned museum quality power plants will be produced annually.

Each vehicle is said to include a mechanical device, either manual or hydraulically controlled, that will allow the individual modern classic vehicle collector to hold open the power plant protective cover in order to allow others sufficient access to view or photograph the power plant exhibit contained within.

 

[Shibadog]

Overall, I'm not that concerned. Why? Manufactures are good at innovating; otherwise they will go out of business if they don't. Living in a capitalistic society, corporations will do the bare minimum to maximize profit. Only way to motivate change is with consumer demand or regulation. When the oil crisis and EPA regulations of the '70's & '80's hit, did the entire industry close up? No, they found ways to improve fuel mileage, reduce emissions, and still make cars better & faster. We are in that same transition phase. Things may be awkward while manufactures figure out how to deal with things, but they will still make cars people want to drive. Everyone seems to be jumping on the EV bandwagon, but hydrogen still has great potential. If only a company would be willing to take the first step of creating an infrastructure like Tesla did with electric charging stations, we could have a healthy mix of EV and hydrogen cars.

Fully agree, the most abundant thing around,clean and proven technology. Politicians must not have any controlling interest in the hydrogen field…

 

[Oncorhynchus]

I see it now... the next news flash will be something akin to "STELLANTIS introduces the new, limited edition, Heritage Edition Jeep Wrangler."

Dearborn, Michigan - Stellantis, the parent company that produces popular Jeep and Ram vehicles, as well as vehicles under the decidedly less popular Chrysler nameplate, announced today that they will be introducing a limited production "Heritage Edition" version of its Wrangler and Ram products in response to increase fuel economy standards announced by the Department of Transportation on 1 April 2022.

A company spokesperson stated that the "Heritage Edition" lines will include the 3.6L, 2.0T, and 392 working museum quality replica internal combustion engines so that owners can complete their personal collection. Stellantis emphasized that political pressure and economic trends impacting fuel prices have forced automakers to advance their transition to EV and alternative fuel source powered vehicles, but the political climate also instantly developed an entire generation of "modern classic car collectors" whose small, personal collections would not be complete without the new Heritage Edition trim lines and their classic, fully functional, working replica power plants.

While Stellantis and individual brand spokesmen did not release pricing details, consumers can expect a price increase in the range of 20-25% or more as often seen with other "limited edition" runs. The company did hint that only approximately 250,000 of these special "Heritage Edition" vehicles powered by the individual privately owned museum quality power plants will be produced annually.

Each vehicle is said to include a mechanical device, either manual or hydraulically controlled, that will allow the individual modern classic vehicle collector to hold open the power plant protective cover in order to allow others sufficient access to view or photograph the power plant exhibit contained within.

The above was a tongue in cheek post but a tinge of truth in there …

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/lexus-managed-to-sell-1-brand-new-lfa-in-q3-2020

 

[T Town]

Actually, it has already started. Washington State will be banning the sale and registration of new ICE vehicles starting 2030. Ten more states and California are doing likewise by 2035. The ICE vehicles that escape the EV net will probably be banned by refusal to allow registration.
The conversation of existing ICE to EV has been demonstrated by the Magneto concept.
This is a smart way to do it, rather than " throw out the Baby with the Bathwater"

In Washington it is a goal not a mandate.
They are not banning the sale of ICE cars.
Oh, I heard New York is banning the sale of milk. Why?
Just thought I’d throw this out there because… IDK. People say anything nowadays.

 

[zakaron]

In Washington it is a goal not a mandate.
They are not banning the sale of ICE cars.
Oh, I heard New York is banning the sale of milk. Why?
Just thought I’d throw this out there because… IDK. People say anything nowadays.

They are banning the sale of milk because cows produce too much methane and contribute too much to the carbon footprint of this country. Which means hamburgers and steaks are also banned. You will have to eat soy patties and drink almond milk from now on. Good luck.

 

[JL Diesel]

We go back full-circle to Ford’s ‘other’ car/engine design.

 

[2nd 392]

I see it now... the next news flash will be something akin to "STELLANTIS introduces the new, limited edition, Heritage Edition Jeep Wrangler."

Dearborn, Michigan - Stellantis, the parent company that produces popular Jeep and Ram vehicles, as well as vehicles under the decidedly less popular Chrysler nameplate, announced today that they will be introducing a limited production "Heritage Edition" version of its Wrangler and Ram products in response to increase fuel economy standards announced by the Department of Transportation on 1 April 2022.

A company spokesperson stated that the "Heritage Edition" lines will include the 3.6L, 2.0T, and 392 working museum quality replica internal combustion engines so that owners can complete their personal collection. Stellantis emphasized that political pressure and economic trends impacting fuel prices have forced automakers to advance their transition to EV and alternative fuel source powered vehicles, but the political climate also instantly developed an entire generation of "modern classic car collectors" whose small, personal, often single unit "collections" would not be complete without the new Heritage Edition trim lines and their classic, fully functional, working replica power plants.

While Stellantis and individual brand spokesmen did not release pricing details, consumers can expect a price increase in the range of 20-25% or more as often seen with other "limited edition" runs. The company did hint that only approximately 250,000 of these special "Heritage Edition" vehicles powered by the individual privately owned museum quality power plants will be produced annually.

Each vehicle is said to include a mechanical device, either manual or hydraulically controlled, that will allow the individual modern classic vehicle collector to hold open the power plant protective cover in order to allow others sufficient access to view or photograph the power plant exhibit contained within.

Unfortunately classic car production is limited to 350 per year, will be priced accordingly!!!! You were on the right track but you’re numbers were way optimistic

 

[2nd 392]

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We go back full-circle to Ford’s ‘other’ car/engine design.

Ask Cheech and Chong, they must have ended up with the prototype!! Seriously, appreciated the history lesson, Thanks

 

[Equitasforall]

Unfortunately classic car production is limited to 350 per year, will be priced accordingly!!!! You were on the right track but you’re numbers were way optimistic

I was being totally sarcastic. Figured they would call it a classic, up the price, and make the same number they always made. There was not one hint of reality in the entire bogus article.

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