Mperk8
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Who really cares? Just do you, it’s your money. If you want a winch then get one whether you plan on using it or not. Quit trying to cancel mall crawlers.
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Regarding your concern of clogging , one persons clog is another persons legit questionWhat boggles my mind and I cannot comprehend is why anyone would even buy a Jeep Wrangler and add a winch that never sees off highway? There is zero reason for it.
Since I learned how to drive I have never once purchased or considered a vehicle only to deliberately avoid using it for what is was designed for.
In the dozens of forums and thousands posts not one person has given a reason for this purchasing behavior other than they "like the look".
Even if I was filthy rich with money to burn I could only purchase a vehicle for function and capability.
It's a disservice to clog up a Jeep Wrangler forum with threads such as this one.
How do you like the tow bar base plate? Also what winch mount plate are you using with it?Both of these get off road as often as possible. Part of the best thing about jeeps is that they clean up and look great. Guess they look a little mall crawlerish with winches when all shiney
So true...Regarding your concern of clogging , one persons clog is another persons legit question
My brother and I have been doing the same 2-parted guide for about the same amount of years. Most of the trees we've fallen were due to death, disease, or those severely damaged by storms. Those don't always want to fall where you want them, regardless of how perfect your hinge and back cuts are.I've been doing this for 15 years. It involves snatch blocks etc to make sure the Jeep is far from the danger zone. It's safer than it sounds.
Well if you think a good experienced logger can't make that tree fall exactly where he wants it you haven't been around a good tree cutter...My brother and I have been doing the same 2-parted guide for about the same amount of years. Most of the trees we've fallen were due to death, disease, or those severely damaged by storms. Those don't always want to fall where you want them, regardless of how perfect your hinge and back cuts are.
Loggers are typically falling live wood that is pin straight. On the off chance that one comes down funny, their only concern is running in a diagonal line to not be under it. They don't share the concern of theirs or their neighbors house or personal property.
I've worked with pro loggers too. It's not always an exact placement of felled trees. Most pro tree guys working around homes etc seem to use bucket trucks to take trees down from the top. I can drop a tree pretty well, but use the Jeep winch as a little bit of insurance. Any pro logger would admit a rotted tree can twist & fall completely off mark. I was working with one that dropped a tree on 4 lane highway due to unknown rot.Well if you think a good experienced logger can't make that tree fall exactly where he wants it you haven't been around a good tree cutter...
I spent a couple of seasons helping log out a deep canyon. We only took the dead and diseased and it was almost always imperative that the trees lay where you needed them too in the thick forest so we could skid them out. I have been witness to some ridiculously impressive tree falling by guys with 20 and 50 years of experience respectively. I will share your comments with them, we will have a good laugh.
I have also been around when my good friend has dropped trees in the immediate vicinity of multi million dollar homes in Telluride as well as dozens of other homes and structures. I have listened to guys like you tell him it couldn't be done, you know "tree experts" from the state agricultural service and local tree services. I have never seen him miss, we have never rigged a line to a tree. I have seen it done hundreds of times.
Thanks for the "education" though...LOL Wasn't looking for clarification, just made a comment. I would never rig a vehicle to a tree, good luck.
I know, everybody is a "Pro"... Until they show you they are not anyway. The fact that it can go wrong is exactly why I wouldn't rig to a vehicle.I've worked with pro loggers too. It's not always an exact placement of felled trees. Most pro tree guys working around homes etc seem to use bucket trucks to take trees down from the top. I can drop a tree pretty well, but use the Jeep winch as a little bit of insurance. Any pro logger would admit a rotted tree can twist & fall completely off mark. I was working with one that dropped a tree on 4 lane highway due to unknown rot.
I've droppedWOW, that seems like a dangerous game... I learned to fall trees from an ex-logger that used to drop around 300 a day for 20 years. There are better ways...
I'm not going to continue this forever, but I don't think you're understanding the entire concept of what I do. I refer plenty of residential jobs to "pro" loggers when it's out of my range. A bucket truck is usually the best remedy. I've cut 100's & maybe 1000's of trees in the forests. There's a different kind of exactness in a forest than is required around a building. At any point, my Jeep or anything around it is in NO danger. You'll have to take my word on it. Actually, you don't have to as I know you'll never agree. I know what I do is as safe as any tree felling operation. After seeing YouTube videos of morons hooking on etc, I would have to say "Don't try this at home". Have fun Jeepin.I know, everybody is a "Pro"... Until they show you they are not anyway. The fact that it can go wrong is exactly why I wouldn't rig to a vehicle.
On the JLU I'm using the Rusty's plate sine I have the Rock Jock base plate. Rock Jock is by far best solution for factory bumper.How do you like the tow bar base plate? Also what winch mount plate are you using with it?
My problem is that the "not on pavement" is a long way from where I live. I just got back from a 2400 mile trip in which 300 miles was not on pavement. That's a little higher than your 7% but that was just for one trip and most of my trips have fewer miles off pavement. Of the off pavement there were nearly 200 miles on real 4WD roads, this is closer to your 7%.What you don’t see is the 7% of miles not on pavement… but, it seems like you probably don’t get out there or wouldn’t be asking these questions.