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"Stay the path better" Is this the best you guys have? If one wheel is in the air the other presumably has a fair amount of weight on it. I have been wheeling for decades and never experienced a problem "staying the path". That is what the steering wheel is for.

Face it, this a made up issue. Without lockers it is a real issue because if you lift a tire you lose traction on that end. With lockers, lifting a tire really makes no difference.
This guy lol....

front and rear articulation do, as a matter of fact, increase stability of the vehicle. The tires being on the ground is a consequence of the articulation. The suspension supports the frame/body of the vehicle. As the springs expand or compress due to unevenness of the terrain they distribute forces equally on all four sides to be able to support the body/frame as much as possible (they offer a 4 point platform for the vehicle to sit on). When you lift 1 tire you lose support on one side. Weight of the vehicle has to shift to one side which creates an unstable situation. Vehicles suspensions are designed to distribute weight equally on 4 points, even regular cars articulate a little bit on the road, otherwise driving would be very unstable. The Bronco suspension isn't properly designed for rock crawling as it is not supporting the vehicle as it should on bunny slopes.

In terms of traction, yes, lockers do compensate for lack of articulation. But having 4 tires and lockers on the ground will always be better than 3.

Id take a wrangler with SFA over lockers all day long. Articulation comes with a SFA axle vehicle easily, and can be improved if necessary without much trouble. Improving the front articulation of the bronco is gonna be quite expensive. Adding lockers to a Jeep comes to about 3k with parts and labor (front and rear) which isnt that bad over the total cost of the vehicle. Bronco cheap out. Sure sasquatch comes with front and rear lockers omg so cool, but lockers are cheaper than a better front suspension. so...
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Bronco owners are starting to realize that perhaps not everything Ford has been saying is true.

A thread to the effect of “Off-roaders animosity towards IFS” popped up on Bronco6G, where Bronco owners go to reassure each other that their IFS is as capable as any solid axle Jeep...for no other reason that that’s what Ford’s been saying.
 
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I’ve been saying it since day 1, although apparently bronco isn’t even as good as the 4Runner let alone the wrangler. Tires lifting until he disconnects the sway bar, and yet the 4Runner stays planted with it’s sway bar connected on much smaller tires. The lack of articulation leads to a lack of traction that won’t make a simple little climb without the rear locker. Toyota walks that section too, no locker needed. Looks like it’s wrangler,>Toyota>Bronco when it comes to real trails.
 

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I’ve been saying it since day 1, although apparently bronco isn’t even as good as the 4Runner let alone the wrangler. Tires lifting until he disconnects the sway bar, and yet the 4Runner stays planted with it’s sway bar connected on much smaller tires. The lack of articulation leads to a lack of traction that won’t make a simple little climb without the rear locker. Toyota walks that section too, no locker needed. Looks like it’s wrangler,>Toyota>Bronco when it comes to real trails.
That video, lol.

Bronco doesn't manage any of his tests without lockers and/or sway bar disconnected. The 4R easily passes each, except the tow test.

His conclusion?

The Bronco is on par with the Wrangler, and he prefers the 4R because "highway" driving.
 

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That video, lol.

Bronco doesn't manage any of his tests without lockers and/or sway bar disconnected. The 4R easily passes each, except the tow test.

His conclusion?

The Bronco is on par with the Wrangler, and he prefers the 4R because "highway" driving.
Yeah, I watched a bunch of his videos. He is a Toyota 4Runner fan through and through.

I called him out on one of his videos after he repeats like a dozen times “...don’t get a Wrangler if you don’t plan to off-road...”
 

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front and rear articulation do, as a matter of fact, increase stability of the vehicle. The tires being on the ground is a consequence of the articulation. The suspension supports the frame/body of the vehicle. As the springs expand or compress due to unevenness of the terrain they distribute forces equally on all four sides to be able to support the body/frame as much as possible (they offer a 4 point platform for the vehicle to sit on). When you lift 1 tire you lose support on one side. Weight of the vehicle has to shift to one side which creates an unstable situation. Vehicles suspensions are designed to distribute weight equally on 4 points, even regular cars articulate a little bit on the road, otherwise driving would be very unstable. The Bronco suspension isn't properly designed for rock crawling as it is not supporting the vehicle as it should on bunny slopes.

In terms of traction, yes, lockers do compensate for lack of articulation. But having 4 tires and lockers on the ground will always be better than 3.

Id take a wrangler with SFA over lockers all day long. Articulation comes with a SFA axle vehicle easily, and can be improved if necessary without much trouble. Improving the front articulation of the bronco is gonna be quite expensive. Adding lockers to a Jeep comes to about 3k with parts and labor (front and rear) which isnt that bad over the total cost of the vehicle. Bronco cheap out. Sure sasquatch comes with front and rear lockers omg so cool, but lockers are cheaper than a better front suspension. so...
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This guy lol....

front and rear articulation do, as a matter of fact, increase stability of the vehicle. The tires being on the ground is a consequence of the articulation. The suspension supports the frame/body of the vehicle. As the springs expand or compress due to unevenness of the terrain they distribute forces equally on all four sides to be able to support the body/frame as much as possible (they offer a 4 point platform for the vehicle to sit on). When you lift 1 tire you lose support on one side. Weight of the vehicle has to shift to one side which creates an unstable situation. Vehicles suspensions are designed to distribute weight equally on 4 points, even regular cars articulate a little bit on the road, otherwise driving would be very unstable. The Bronco suspension isn't properly designed for rock crawling as it is not supporting the vehicle as it should on bunny slopes.

In terms of traction, yes, lockers do compensate for lack of articulation. But having 4 tires and lockers on the ground will always be better than 3.

Id take a wrangler with SFA over lockers all day long. Articulation comes with a SFA axle vehicle easily, and can be improved if necessary without much trouble. Improving the front articulation of the bronco is gonna be quite expensive. Adding lockers to a Jeep comes to about 3k with parts and labor (front and rear) which isnt that bad over the total cost of the vehicle. Bronco cheap out. Sure sasquatch comes with front and rear lockers omg so cool, but lockers are cheaper than a better front suspension. so...
You can’t change arguments based on emotion with facts
 

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It simply doesn't make any difference. Needing to keep the wheels down for forward traction before lockers became a popular thing was necessary. Now it is simply a novelty and because the Jeep "does it better" than say the Bronco, people like to point it out.

Having a wheel lift does not correlate with unsafe or difficult or having to struggle. The "uncomfortable" part is all in your head and if having all four wheels touching before you roll over or just three brings you some sort of comfort, congratulations.
You seem to have the experience, you cannot actually believe tires in the air doesn’t equate to instability? When that tire that’s 2’ in the air is on the down hill side of an off camber climb, there’s a massive weight transfer when it teeter totters back to earth. I’ve personally seen this result in a roll over more than once. Uncontrolled suspension movement is dangerous. Sure low speed, mostly flat obstacles like golden crack are fine to carry a tire in the air. Carry that tire on the downhill side of the ledge on cliffhanger and it’s not only terrifying, but that weight transfer from the free falling tire could actually be deadly. If suspension travel didn’t matter, ifs rigs would still be running torsion bars and solid axles would be leaf sprung as both are much cheaper to produce. On loose, slippery trails (mud, snow, ice) you need all the traction you can get, 2 tires contacting the surface is often not enough even with lockers. Anything with big tires and locker will be capable off road, but those are not the only factors.
 
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We could also go run naked holding hands in a field of flowers...

Seriously tho, These responses are not surprising since this is the same crowd that could never accept the new generation of their own vehicle.... Throw a competitor's name in the mix and that's recipe for never ending arguments.

I guess that's how you define a real fan, just like Sports fans, their teams are the best, no matter what.

Personally, if I had a dealership near me, I'd be behind the wheel of a new defender 110 right now :)
Buy an extra spare if you’re gonna wheel the 110, apparently 1 isn’t enough to make it home…
 

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I did catch someone else's comment about the windows lowering and apparently this is pretty common on convertibles. So maybe not as big of a risk as it might seem, but then again we probably didn't think there was a big risk with their hardtops.
My CLA45 has frameless doors but its so quick to drop, that it doesnt rattle or shake when opening. I rented a camaro convertible and it had really bad shaking from the roof and the door glass when opening.
 

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I wouldnt feel comfortable having my bronco sit there and hope that it was maintain while just sitting there. think of all the problems it may with just sitting there not moving.
 

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I did catch someone else's comment about the windows lowering and apparently this is pretty common on convertibles. So maybe not as big of a risk as it might seem, but then again we probably didn't think there was a big risk with their hardtops.
Ford got so obsessed with trying to outdo Jeep, that it didn’t see some of the obvious pitfalls.
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