Every single manual in the JL/JLU line is affected.
Anyone know at this point if it is still safe to drive?
Someone posted pictures of pieces shooting through their engine. Just trying to figure out. Lucky for me, I have another vehicle to drive if I need too.
As a note, I have smelt the burning smell coming from the clutch, and thought it was because it was new. Now, I am beginning to wonder.
Yep, no feathering on the Rubi, you just let that clutch out in 1st gear and crawl.I never even have to touch the clutch when rock crawling. Geared so low I don’t ever need to feather it or prevent a stall.
Incorrect. There was a stop order on ‘21 models for this very issue. The recall was the same, but with a different number (Y01 instead of Y07). They now apply this software build at the factory.It stands to reason that if the problem doesn't exist with the 2021
models, replace all the effected jeeps with the inferior design with
the one used in the 2021 model.
Not a bad idea but the big question is at what temp does the software kick in. We are all perplexed at how the computer is even registering a temp for the clutch since there is no sensor anywhere near the clutch.Has anyone considered putting their Jeep on a dyno before and after the software upgrade to confirm the firmware update behaves as described? I’m not sure the “computer calculated temperature based on xxx metrics” passes the sniff test to me. Surely someone on here with a 6spd also has access to a dyno that can do that at low/no cost?
Somewhere on here, I read that the computer calculates the temp based on other factors, it just seems fishy. I hope someone dynos it before and after hahaNot a bad idea but the big question is at what temp does the software kick in. We are all perplexed at how the computer is even registering a temp for the clutch since there is no sensor anywhere near the clutch.
I got money to blow...Somewhere on here, I read that the computer calculates the temp based on other factors, it just seems fishy. I hope someone dynos it before and after haha
It’s not fishy, it’s physics. And they aren’t calculating temp, they’re calculating unexpected slipping (which results in heat). Think about it. If you’re in 4th gear going 45 mph and RPM spikes to 4500, you have a problem. 100% the Jeeps that went up in flames had that condition, but it went unnoticed or ignored. (No, that’s not operator error. Yes, it’s Jeep’s fault. Yes, they shipped a defect - improperly bled slave cylinders coupled with poorly placed fuel lines.)Somewhere on here, I read that the computer calculates the temp based on other factors, it just seems fishy. I hope someone dynos it before and after haha
This is the first model that makes sense since there is no way to monitor temp at the clutch. The problem is FCA has a $hit track record already so I'm finding it hard to believe that their software "upgrade" wouldn't screw with something else or functioning this well.It’s not fishy, it’s physics. And they aren’t calculating temp, they’re calculating unexpected slipping (which results in heat). Think about it. If you’re in 4th gear going 45 mph and RPM spikes to 4500, you have a problem. 100% the Jeeps that went up in flames had that condition, but it went unnoticed or ignored. (No, that’s not operator error. Yes, it’s Jeep’s fault. Yes, they shipped a defect - improperly bled slave cylinders coupled with poorly placed fuel lines.)
Now the computer will spot this condition and take action. It’s a good feature, IMO.
I don’t find that to be true with the Wrangler. My experience has been great, thanks in no small part to the fact that the dealership that serviced my one and only warranty claim (bad aux battery) has been excellent. I’m not alone: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/early-buyers-is-your-jl-3-years-old-yet.67363/FCA has a $hit track record already
I own two JLs and can tell you first hand of QC and warranty issues. As an OG on this forum you can search my posts for details. I wasn't making a blanket statement that FCA sucks but I also don't think it's a stretch to say their track record isn't the greatest.I don’t find that to be true with the Wrangler. My experience has been great, thanks in no small part to the fact that the dealership that serviced my one and only warranty claim (bad aux battery) has been excellent. I’m not alone: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/early-buyers-is-your-jl-3-years-old-yet.67363/
YMMV, but if you go on any enthusiast forum your gonna seen a lot of “brand XXX sucks.” It was rampant on the Raptor forum I used to frequent when I had one, and that truck was nothing short of fantastic. No doubt Taco and Ram owners used to come there just to troll.
Anyway, let’s see. Maybe my clutch will explode, tomorrow, and then I’ll be back here to eat some crow. As an OG of this forum, however, the number of unbacked “FCA sucks” posts is tiresome.
I did see that one. No argument there, that is a mess! I also looked at the DIY potting procedure... nope. I’m not confident enough in my skills to drill into my sensors. Unfortunately, my warranty is up in less that 500 miles.One issue that comes to mind is the protocol to replace $2000 axles on the Rubis when it's a $20 sensor in the axle that is failing.
This solution did sound a little “fishy” until someone figured out the manual transmission has a gear indicator. Since that’s available it should be a simple calculation to detect clutch slippage as described above.It’s not fishy, it’s physics. And they aren’t calculating temp, they’re calculating unexpected slipping (which results in heat). Think about it. If you’re in 4th gear going 45 mph and RPM spikes to 4500, you have a problem. 100% the Jeeps that went up in flames had that condition, but it went unnoticed or ignored. (No, that’s not operator error. Yes, it’s Jeep’s fault. Yes, they shipped a defect - improperly bled slave cylinders coupled with poorly placed fuel lines.)
Now the computer will spot this condition and take action. It’s a good feature, IMO.