EPA website - watch these to know when deliveries might start

[greensprit]

Until the EPA approves the 4xe, no one is getting one in the U.S. So if we want an indication of when deliveries might start, we need to be watching this site for the 4xe to show up. It should show up on both of these pages:

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Pow...del=Wrangler&srchtyp=ymm&pageno=1&rowLimit=50

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Pow...n+Hybrid&srchtyp=yearAfv&rowLimit=50&pageno=1

Does anyone know how to write a script that will automatically check these pages for us to alert us of any changes?

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[PriceForFlight]

Until the EPA approves the 4xe, no one is getting one in the U.S. So if we want an indication of when deliveries might start, we need to be watching this site for the 4xe to show up. It should show up on both of these pages:

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Pow...del=Wrangler&srchtyp=ymm&pageno=1&rowLimit=50

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Pow...n+Hybrid&srchtyp=yearAfv&rowLimit=50&pageno=1

Does anyone know how to write a script that will automatically check these pages for us to alert us of any changes?

No reason to make a script, there are plenty of services that do this....

https://tinyurl.com/watchsite

 

[MaineBumpkin]

How ironic, 'green' transportation tied up in red tape at the Environmental PROTECTION Agency while hundreds (or thousands) or people wait... and drive their gas cars.

 

[Shasta_Steve]

How ironic, 'green' transportation tied up in red tape at the Environmental PROTECTION Agency while hundreds (or thousands) or people wait... and drive their gas cars.

Very likely there is a disagreement on just how green these things really are. As much as I hate Government interference, I would like to know the numbers Jeep gives us are accurate.

 

[HungryHound]

How ironic, 'green' transportation tied up in red tape at the Environmental PROTECTION Agency while hundreds (or thousands) or people wait... and drive their gas cars.

I'd really like to see a poll on who is buying a 4xe for the torque and who is buying for mpg. Sure, I can plug in for free at the local beach bar, but that 0rpm toque is going to be awesome offroad.

 

[Gazelle]

The deciding factor for me was....all three. I can save some gas & $ with my weekday driving (3-15miles/day & 0.09/kWh); enjoy the extra torque & HP vs the regular 2.0L...which I nearly ordered before learning about the 4xe; and save about $3k vs the configuration I would have ordered in comparison to this release version of the 4xe.

 

[rdmelton]

Good call on checking the EPA website. For your first search, one question is whether the model is "Wrangler" or "Wrangler 4xe" Based on the Jeep website, it appears that they are calling it a different model, not just a different trim.

Regardless, the second search should find it.

 

[HungryHound]

The deciding factor for me was....all three. I can save some gas & $ with my weekday driving (3-15miles/day & 0.09/kWh); enjoy the extra torque & HP vs the regular 2.0L...which I nearly ordered before learning about the 4xe; and save about $3k vs the configuration I would have ordered in comparison to this release version of the 4xe.

Are you sure about that 9 cents per kwh in Seattle? Make sure you factor in energy surcharges and taxes. Most places are in the 13 cent range except for Texas, obviously.

 

[Gazelle]

Are you sure about that 9 cents per kwh in Seattle? Make sure you factor in energy surcharges and taxes. Most places are in the 13 cent range except for Texas, obviously.

Good point!
Electric power is roughly 9.37 cents/kWh rate, but with the base charge, credits, surcharges, city & state taxes the total is $0.1122 / kWh.

That includes a $7.49/month base charge, 3.87% state tax, and 6.46% city tax.

 

[HungryHound]

Good point!
Electric power is roughly 9.37 cents/kWh rate, but with the base charge, credits, surcharges, city & state taxes the total is $0.1122 / kWh.

That includes a $7.49/month base charge, 3.87% state tax, and 6.46% city tax.

That sounds about right. Still cheaper than gas. I calculated about $2 to top off the battery which is less than a gallon of gas.

 

[rtk513]

How ironic, 'green' transportation tied up in red tape at the Environmental PROTECTION Agency while hundreds (or thousands) or people wait... and drive their gas cars.

We all know the 4xE isn't going to fundamentally improve the environment, these holdups aren't preventing any offset of signifcant carbon lol. I'd rather the EPA hold Jeep to the proper standards than let multi billion dollar corporations lie to us. Look at what VW did, total joke.

 

[rtk513]

I'd really like to see a poll on who is buying a 4xe for the torque and who is buying for mpg. Sure, I can plug in for free at the local beach bar, but that 0rpm toque is going to be awesome offroad.

I can promise you that more people buy jeeps for daily driving than offroading...

 

[HungryHound]

I can promise you that more people buy jeeps for daily driving than offroading...

I'm sure of that. Probably very close to the ratio of 2-door vs 4-door versions sold. It's a 4wd mini-van these days.

 

[Shasta_Steve]

Are you sure about that 9 cents per kwh in Seattle? Make sure you factor in energy surcharges and taxes. Most places are in the 13 cent range except for Texas, obviously.

Here in California, around Sacramento, our rates are based on time of day. In the winter we pay about 10.3 cents off peak and summer is 12.8 cents off peak. If you have an electric car the utility will lower your off peak rate by another 1.5 cents from midnight to 6 am. Now Summer peak rates can exceed 30 cents and best not to charge your car during that time.
We do have a high $22.25 a month infrastructure fee we have to pay every month but we pay that no matter what amount of electricity we use. So not really any added expense. Taxes on my last bill come in under a dollar so pretty minimal.

 

[HungryHound]

Here in California, around Sacramento, our rates are based on time of day. In the winter we pay about 10.3 cents off peak and summer is 12.8 cents off peak. If you have an electric car the utility will lower your off peak rate by another 1.5 cents from midnight to 6 am. Now Summer peak rates can exceed 30 cents and best not to charge your car during that time.
We do have a high $22.25 a month infrastructure fee we have to pay every month but we pay that no matter what amount of electricity we use. So not really any added expense. Taxes on my last bill come in under a dollar so pretty minimal.

We have an optional peak fee structure here in FL. Never signed up for it since we don't keep regular hours. Folks that are away at work during the hot part of the day really save with the program.

You are correct. Don't put the base fees in for the kwh calculations, but add the variable taxes and energy surcharges in to it.

I'm not planning to install a level 2 system so I would have the flexibility to set the 110v level 1 system up on a standard timer. I would hope that the level 2 charger would have a timer function so you could have it on only between midnight and 6am if desired, but I dont think that's the case. For around $150 you could get a 240v timer for something like a pool or irrigation system that would handle the level 2 load. Would probably pay for itself in the difference in low peak charges.

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