sheram
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thats rough! Sorry man! And I was expecting a deer...This all happened in about 2 seconds. I saw him coming into the curve and I thought damn he’s flying I’m not sure he’ll make that. I was expecting his back end to loose it but was surprised to see the whole damn car drifting into my lane. I saw a power pole on the right and knew if I swerved hard I’d hit it so I tried to thread the needle and then realized that he wasn’t going to make it by me. After he hit I looked in the mirror a thought he’d roll since he was still flying. He came across to the shoulder just about that pole and finally corrected it. He must have hit my wheel on the back. There is minor damage to the fender but the real problem is the dash lit up like a Christmas tree with all kind of sensor warnings. In addition carfax will show it as a wrecked vehicle now and the value will drop to who knows what. It’s at the Jeep dealership now and I’ll go from there.
I have a dash cam in both of our Jeeps, but something like this has nothing to do with it. It doesn't matter if that's a police car or random vehicle, it's quite obvious he's left of center when they collide. Hard to argue with roadway evidence (tire marks, debris, marks in grass, etc).This video and post (thank you Stan) just inspired me to pull the trigger on a dash cam for my Jeep....
Actually, I've yet to hear of a state that has a specific speed by which they can exceed the limit. The law will typically have wording such as "reasonable" and "due regard" which are standards used by SCOTUS......
Most states only allow (by law) police to exceed the speed limit by a certain amount while running code. None of them follow this, of course.
I assume you're talking about the insurance company here, because obviously the pd has nothing to do with that, and I doubt they'd care where you took it. But yes, go to the shop you want, not the one they pick (*unless it's the same place of course). You have the right to have your vehicle repaired at the location of your choosing...... Dont let them tell you they decide where its fixed or what it will cost....
Paranoid much? It's quite obvious the cop was left of center and would likely be impossible to try such a thing. But I guess I'm just more trusting......
be careful in speaking to any reviewer or investigator. They may try to weasel out of it by trying to cite you or put you at fault for not yielding right of way to an emergency vehicle, dont let them even try to go down that road. If you get questions like “when did you see the vehicle” or similar, that’s what they are trying to do.
Um, no. Cops can't steal. Unless you consider seizing you illegal drugs as stealing, in which case I guess they can. Also entrapment is illegal, so they can't do that either..... Remember cops can lie cheat and steal anything, any way if it is in the name of entrapping you .....
Nooooooo. Traffic cameras a such crap. Blind enforcement with no discretion. Plus they have little effect on safety. Say you're diving down the road and see a patrol car. I bet you slow down (assuming you were speeding of course). Meanwhile you could be on the same road, at the same speed, and have no idea the camera was there. Since you don't see the camera you don't slow down and you get the ticket in the mail a few days later. How exactly did that camera make the community safer? All that traffic cameras was good for was making money..... I wish we could eliminate traffic police and install cameras to replace them....
This i have yet to see. While police are a necessary evil, they are certainly not there to protect. They don't fit in your pocket to jump out when protection is needed. Take them off the pedestal and realize they are doing a job. They show up after a crime is committed and investigate it.
tell the people that were evacuated in nashville before the bomb went off a few days ago the police are not there to protect them. how about the active shooter that was recently taken down. you all need to get off the blind hate and open your eyes. anyone can use anecdotal evidence to support their narrow minds. police cars get hit all the time and the other drivers at fault walk away with nothing more then a traffic ticket or warning.This i have yet to see. While police are a necessary evil, they are certainly not there to protect. They don't fit in your pocket to jump out when protection is needed. Take them off the pedestal and realize they are doing a job. They show up aftera crime is committed and investigate it.
The original post showed a prime example of "above the law". If the table was turned and the OP was taking a turn too fast or not paying attention and clipped the officers car, we would not have heard. The OP would not be allowed to post here from the cell. Just pointing out the obvious.
There is no blindness or hate on my part. Just stating the obvious facts. The absolute rare occasions that you point out (like not stopping the bombing crime that was committed), well even a blind squirrel stumbles across a nut every now and then.tell the people that were evacuated in nashville before the bomb went off a few days ago the police are not there to protect them. how about the active shooter that was recently taken down. you all need to get off the blind hate and open your eyes. anyone can use anecdotal evidence to support their narrow minds. police cars get hit all the time and the other drivers at fault walk away with nothing more then a traffic ticket or warning.
The problem begins when you have defiant behavior by departments by using excuses for their lack of effort. The people breaking the laws have no excuse and It would work if there was strict enforcement. It’s having to trust people that is ridiculous and being exposed to unpredictable behavior by stupid people that put us in this predicament. People act like driving is a right, when it’s a privilege. Sure, there are faults with every system. You may occasionally use the systems in place to resolve those problems. For example, we have a toll road system that claims my vehicle entered the toll road, but a simple call and explanation cleared up my predicament.Nooooooo. Traffic cameras a such crap. Blind enforcement with no discretion. Plus they have little effect on safety. Say you're diving down the road and see a patrol car. I bet you slow down (assuming you were speeding of course). Meanwhile you could be on the same road, at the same speed, and have no idea the camera was there. Since you don't see the camera you don't slow down and you get the ticket in the mail a few days later. How exactly did that camera make the community safer? All that traffic cameras was good for was making money.
In some places you can't even contest the charge issued by a traffic camera. Then you have the problem of tickets mailed that aren't even valid. Want an example:
I bet they probably mailed one to the tow truck too. Two tickets for the price of one.
I don't know for sure if that's real or a photoshop circulating the internet, but it seem about right to me. My dad (who drive's annoyingly slow) got a ticket from a camera a few years ago. It sent 3 images of his car in the speed enforcement zone. You can clearly see through the sequence of images that a car in the next lane was passing him. Which tells me that was the speeder. A live person (cop) could have seen the difference and written the correct driver the ticket. He wanted to dispute it, but since it wasn't a traffic ticket (IIRC they classified it as a civil complaint) he couldn't contest the charge.
Looking at this objectively raises a question. If the emergency warranted that speed, in those conditions, how did he have time to stop for a vehicle that was merely glanced? It seems that if there were a true emergency, he shouldn't have stopped. Conversely, if there was no emergency, he shouldn't have been speeding.tell the people that were evacuated in nashville before the bomb went off a few days ago the police are not there to protect them. how about the active shooter that was recently taken down. you all need to get off the blind hate and open your eyes. anyone can use anecdotal evidence to support their narrow minds. police cars get hit all the time and the other drivers at fault walk away with nothing more then a traffic ticket or warning.
Lol, why would I accuse you of anything? You didn’t say anything unreasonable. I would imagine most agencies have policy where you can’t commit a hit and run, even when running emergency traffic.Looking at this objectively raises a question. If the emergency warranted that speed, in those conditions, how did he have time to stop for a vehicle that was merely glanced? It seems that if there were a true emergency, he shouldn't have stopped. Conversely, if there was no emergency, he shouldn't have been speeding.
And...please don't accuse me of "blind hate" for asking.
Any number of LEOs could have been responding to the call in question. For the purposes of this discussion, only one of them was in a documented at-fault collision, though, where the reasonable standard of care would or should have required him to stop and check on the welfare of the other vehicle's occupant(s).If the emergency warranted that speed, in those conditions, how did he have time to stop for a vehicle that was merely glanced?
It seems that if there were a true emergency, he shouldn't have stopped. Conversely, if there was no emergency, he shouldn't have been speeding.
Sounds like you can hear him hit your Jeep. With that said, 3 words come to mind...DIMINISHED VALUE CLAIM...those are the 'buzz words' the insurance company needs to hear...in addition to any other damage that may have been caused by him.This all happened in about 2 seconds. I saw him coming into the curve and I thought damn he’s flying I’m not sure he’ll make that. I was expecting his back end to loose it but was surprised to see the whole damn car drifting into my lane. I saw a power pole on the right and knew if I swerved hard I’d hit it so I tried to thread the needle and then realized that he wasn’t going to make it by me. After he hit I looked in the mirror a thought he’d roll since he was still flying. He came across to the shoulder just about that pole and finally corrected it. He must have hit my wheel on the back. There is minor damage to the fender but the real problem is the dash lit up like a Christmas tree with all kind of sensor warnings. In addition carfax will show it as a wrecked vehicle now and the value will drop to who knows what. It’s at the Jeep dealership now and I’ll go from there.
sounds right. If they dodge out, he’ll have to argue that the officers speed was wanton misconduct. Thats why i suggested looking at whats on the books for vehicles at emergency status etc.Ohio has a law that allows cities/municipalities, to claim immunity in crashes where police officers, firefighters or emergency medical service members are "responding to an emergency call" and "there's no willful or wanton misconduct". Which means they do not have to reimburse for any damage, medical bills, lost wages, etc.
Good luck OP
.The problem begins when you have defiant behavior by departments by using excuses for their lack of effort. The people breaking the laws have no excuse and It would work if there was strict enforcement. It’s having to trust people that is ridiculous and being exposed to unpredictable behavior by stupid people that put us in this predicament. People act like driving is a right, when it’s a privilege. Sure, there are faults with every system. You may occasionally use the systems in place to resolve those problems. For example, we have a toll road system that claims my vehicle entered the toll road, but a simple call and explanation cleared up my predicament.
then you havent really looked. States have to write the exemptions to state law for emergency vehicles. When i was cop many many years ago, we were allowed to use 1/4 of the other lane and exceed the speed limit by 10mph. It was written into state law. exigency allowed us to do more, but it was on us to prove what we did was necessary and reasonable.Left of center though, is pretty hard for someone to dispute.
Actually, I've yet to hear of a state that has a specific speed by which they can exceed the limit. The law will typically have wording such as "reasonable" and "due regard" which are standards used by SCOTUS.