2.0T eTorque vs Non eTorque? - anyone driven both?

[tpellenb]

Drove the 2019 Sahara 2.0L BSG while shopping. Ended up building a 2020 S Altitude with the 2.0L. Minimal lag and punchy when the torque comes on. Gun the throttle and it hauls. I recall stop start being a little smoother with the BSG. Not much else. I didn’t gun the BSJ demo.

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[DownBytheRiver]

I currently can't find the article, but a professional; car tester said the performance between the e-torque and standard engine is identical. Butt dyno's aside, does anyone have real numbers based on same day testing? The purpose of BSG is to increase gas mileage, and maybe nothing else.

 

[DadJokes]

I currently can't find the article, but a professional; car tester said the performance between the e-torque and standard engine is identical. Butt dyno's aside, does anyone have real numbers based on same day testing? The purpose of BSG is to increase gas mileage, and maybe nothing else.

Bottom line, that is the case from 1500 rpm and on. Supposedly that is the rpm limit for eTorque assist.

It may noticeably help with larger, heavier tires down low. From a product specialist in a video I’ll add to the thread, it basically is just like a little push to get going giving mostly a half tire rotation of assist when they were demonstrating the Ram with eTorque. Again, city mpg being the focus of gains. There are other little benefits explained in the video as well including adding durability to the brakes and transmission.

I saw Extreme Terrain dyno’d both and at the rear wheel, the 2.0 was only 6 peak hp down and, of course, more avg power across the rpm range. I know with my 255’s, tire spin is an issue taking off fwiw.

 

[Avar928]

The 2.0L having regenerative braking of any kind makes sense when I'm going down hill or coasting without any throttle input (and even switching to neutral) and she actually slows down or doesn't pick up any speed at all unless the grade is very steep.

 

[JeepEagle1]

I had a 2018 JLUR 3.6 and I hated the ESS and would always turn it off. When my Jeep got totaled (through no fault of my own), I got a 2019 JLUR 2.0 eTurbo. Now, I use ESS: Engine starts up seamlessly after shutting off and the pickup is much better than the 3.6.

 

[DadJokes]

I had a 2018 JLUR 3.6 and I hated the ESS and would always turn it off. When my Jeep got totaled (through no fault of my own), I got a 2019 JLUR 2.0 eTurbo. Now, I use ESS: Engine starts up seamlessly after shutting off and the pickup is much better than the 3.6.

I own an 18 Giulia with the 2.0. They both start/stop but the BSG in the Jeep actually makes it ok to leave on. The delay and abruptness in the Giulia can be precarious in traffic if you forget it’s on. I prefer it off most times in the Giulia.

 

[DadJokes]

Here are a couple of videos that I found helpful in explaining eTorque.

 

[2020wranglerjl]

I haven't seen anyone mention this as a difference between the ESS & eTorque.

With ESS, if you release brake pressure at a stop light (even if you don't move), the engine starts up & doesn't turn off again until you first reach a speed of about 5 mph. The same is true in stop and go traffic. So, you don't save gas.

I rented a Sahara with the eTorque engine & it will turn back off in these situations. However, not 100% of the time and I am not sure why. Maybe someone else can explain why.

If you get the V6 eTorque the EPA MPG for highway drops 1 MPG. I was wondering why & if anyone with real world experience can testify that this is true. The highway MPG for the 2.0 turbo doesn't drop with eTorque.

If you order the trailer hitch package you are paying for a heavy duty alternator, but with an eTorque engine you no longer have an alternator. So, it appears you are paying for something you are not getting.

If you are buying a 2020 model, don't spend too much time deciding if you want eTorque or not, because Jeep has already made the decision for you. If you buy a Sahara you get eTorque (except the manual transmission & diesel are ESS). If you buy a Rubicon or Sport you get ESS.

 

[kr70]

For all who are afraid of the eTorque system, there is no additional maintenance required and the battery is designed to last 10 years. And yes, there is a noticeable difference when driving the eTorque. Increased torque off the line, no turbo lag, and smoother ESS. It's a more refined driving experience than the non eTorque version, in my opinion.

The E Torque is warrantied to 80,000 miles

 

[OldJupiter]

2018 2.0 Sport. 21k miles in 8 months - bigger tires / stock gearing - just oil changes - no issues so far. As it is my other 3 dodge vehicles did not fare (perform) very well. I don't know if I would take a chance on Etorque if I had to do it again, but I feel lucky to have solid welds, and no CEL on this Fiat/Chrysler/Dodge/etc products. My first Jeep. My best Jeep.

 

[StammesOpfer]

I currently can't find the article, but a professional; car tester said the performance between the e-torque and standard engine is identical. Butt dyno's aside, does anyone have real numbers based on same day testing? The purpose of BSG is to increase gas mileage, and maybe nothing else.

Often times car reviewers do performance numbers from a roll which would negate a lot/all of the gain for the BSG. The BSG isn't a huge deal though for me it makes ESS not annoying and it fills a little power right off the line but 1500rpm comes really fast and it is off before you know it.

 

[DownBytheRiver]

Often times car reviewers do performance numbers from a roll which would negate a lot/all of the gain for the BSG. The BSG isn't a huge deal though for me it makes ESS not annoying and it fills a little power right off the line but 1500rpm comes really fast and it is off before you know it.

I think you hit the nail on the head:

A little better gas mileage
Smoother Start/Stop
Reduced or no turbo lag when accelerating from below 1500 rpm.

 

[TrailJoy]

I currently can't find the article, but a professional; car tester said the performance between the e-torque and standard engine is identical. Butt dyno's aside, does anyone have real numbers based on same day testing? The purpose of BSG is to increase gas mileage, and maybe nothing else.

I didn't read the article, but as someone who's driven both I strongly agree with this. The ONLY differences I notice were the smoother ESS (the ESS even without the eTorque is smoother and quieter than the ESS on my husbands 3 year old truck), and the SLIGHT nudge off the line (which I found to be only really noticeable when going uphill from a standstill). As for milage, I just can't justify the TINY savings it would offer on a 2L engine for the added cost of the eTorque. My 2020 came without it, and I don't miss it at all.

 

[BHo]

I just picked up a 2020 JLU Rubicon Recon with 2.0L turbo charged 4cy and 70ft-lbs of eTorque electric hybrid turbo assist!

Also, the ESS doesn’t use the starter after the first start, the 48v system is so quiet starting that I’ve opted not to bypass the ESS.

26.6 MPG around town today isn’t too bad for a brick wall on wheels!

 

[DadJokes]

I just picked up a 2020 JLU Rubicon Recon with 2.0L turbo charged 4cy and 70ft-lbs of eTorque electric hybrid turbo assist!

Also, the ESS doesn’t use the starter after the first start, the 48v system is so quiet starting that I’ve opted not to bypass the ESS.

26.6 MPG around town today isn’t too bad for a brick wall on wheels!

The start stop is so quick it doesn’t bother me unlike my Alfa with the 2.0 and ESS. It’s very annoying and the lag time can be dangerous in my opinion.

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