The 2.2L MJ2 doesn't need an SCR/DEF exhaust additive to reduce NOx, it uses a NOx storage converter in the close coupled DPF system, and it is Euro6 compliant in the Stelvio and Cherokee.2.2 diesel does not have SCR and certainly it does not SCR system which is good enough for RDE. Euro 6d is coming on 9/2018 and 9/2019. So... It is a different compared to Cherokee engine or it will be a short living engine.
I would be surprised if they put the ESS model in the JK. There is no need, they simply wind down JK units and then stockpile engines for warranty and service comitments, and then treat it like shutting down the old Compass, Dart or 200 for other production.To me, I would think it odd to be building JKs with 3.6L Non-ESS engines along side JLs with 3.6L ESS engines. But, I suppose they may do exactly that. So no, there won't be significant changes to JK. Packaging changes only.
It's a Euro 6b compliant. Euro 6d is different because it adds RDE test. 400-500 kg of test equipment connected direct to tailpipe during on road driving. It's most severe test compared to anything else. For example Faurecia is offering all new SCR system for Euro 6d which will first be used on 1.5 HDI engine from PSA.The 2.2L MJ2 doesn't need an SCR/DEF exhaust additive to reduce NOx, it uses a NOx storage converter in the close coupled DPF system, and it is Euro6 compliant in the Stelvio and Cherokee.
Even if they wanted to exceed the standard for future implementations they can go the LP-EGR route like the other commercial MJ2s in the Ducato for a very small tweak, again without having to resort to DEF.
Also, it doesn't matter if it's short lived or not, if it were deemed non-compliant it would already have to cease production in the Stelvio and Cherokee early if it can't use a bolt-on solution like LP-EGR, so spreading out R&D production costs over the Wrangler implementation for more units makes sense until the nextrefresh/replace arrives.
However, since all the reviews say it's already Euro6 compliant, it's not an issue and it makes more sense than trying to scrounge US engines precisely when there will be a demand shock by adding the Wrangler implementation.
I think it could be even a little later. I've had 2 JKU and I wanted a 2 door now, since it'll only be a short commuter, on the JL. But I thought I would have it way sooner than this now. I'm going to reserve my decision after the reveal at the LA Auto Show because for sure they're going to be promoting the power top and I think after seeing it it will make my decision easier.....i hope!Am I reading this correctly.....if I want a JL 2door Rubicon with hard and soft top then delivery is April/May?
There's a LOT of new systems showing up in the JL, all for the sake of boosting "City Mpg".
For those of us in the wide Open Spaces, and rural areas, it's unnecessary, and adds cost, reliability issues for supposed gains we won't see. Turning it off isn't the issue, the expenses associated with reliability and complexity are a big issue.
At this rate, waiting for the all- electric Wrangler makes sense. Leapfrog this messy fussy interim where internal combustion is reaching its "end of life".
Volvo ; all electric , starting 2019. Major European cities banning diesels ; the ever-increasing complexity of trying to make gasoline engines emissions -compliant is signaling the end of an Era.
Cramming an off road vehicle into Honda Civic fuel economy is absurd, and can best be addressed by All Electric.
I'm thinking my current JK 2dr, manual trans, only options hardtop, A/C, 3:73 gearing, is going to be the "good old days" model of simplicity. The TJ held this spot, but the JKs structural improvements, safety, and handling take the lead.
While I like the big structural , safety improvement of the JL, this rush to (false) fuel economy is creating a technical, sensor-dependant Nightmare.
IF all componets were Military Grade, we'd have a chance. BUT, the Reality is, "Made in China, by the Lowest Bidder."
"For want of a nail, the shoe is lost..."
Ever in the military? Because if you were...I have a hard time believing you'd make that statementThere's a LOT of new systems showing up in the JL, all for the sake of boosting "City Mpg".
For those of us in the wide Open Spaces, and rural areas, it's unnecessary, and adds cost, reliability issues for supposed gains we won't see. Turning it off isn't the issue, the expenses associated with reliability and complexity are a big issue.
At this rate, waiting for the all- electric Wrangler makes sense. Leapfrog this messy fussy interim where internal combustion is reaching its "end of life".
Volvo ; all electric , starting 2019. Major European cities banning diesels ; the ever-increasing complexity of trying to make gasoline engines emissions -compliant is signaling the end of an Era.
Cramming an off road vehicle into Honda Civic fuel economy is absurd, and can best be addressed by All Electric.
I'm thinking my current JK 2dr, manual trans, only options hardtop, A/C, 3:73 gearing, is going to be the "good old days" model of simplicity. The TJ held this spot, but the JKs structural improvements, safety, and handling take the lead.
While I like the big structural , safety improvement of the JL, this rush to (false) fuel economy is creating a technical, sensor-dependant Nightmare.
IF all componets were Military Grade, we'd have a chance. BUT, the Reality is, "Made in China, by the Lowest Bidder."
"For want of a nail, the shoe is lost..."
I dont know, people made the same statements against fuel injection vs carbs. "the added complexity" argument, while understandable, is usually just paranoia.There's a LOT of new systems showing up in the JL, all for the sake of boosting "City Mpg".
For those of us in the wide Open Spaces, and rural areas, it's unnecessary, and adds cost, reliability issues for supposed gains we won't see. Turning it off isn't the issue, the expenses associated with reliability and complexity are a big issue.
At this rate, waiting for the all- electric Wrangler makes sense. Leapfrog this messy fussy interim where internal combustion is reaching its "end of life".
Volvo ; all electric , starting 2019. Major European cities banning diesels ; the ever-increasing complexity of trying to make gasoline engines emissions -compliant is signaling the end of an Era.
Cramming an off road vehicle into Honda Civic fuel economy is absurd, and can best be addressed by All Electric.
I'm thinking my current JK 2dr, manual trans, only options hardtop, A/C, 3:73 gearing, is going to be the "good old days" model of simplicity. The TJ held this spot, but the JKs structural improvements, safety, and handling take the lead.
While I like the big structural , safety improvement of the JL, this rush to (false) fuel economy is creating a technical, sensor-dependant Nightmare.
IF all componets were Military Grade, we'd have a chance. BUT, the Reality is, "Made in China, by the Lowest Bidder."
"For want of a nail, the shoe is lost..."
That's a lie but it seems that their marketing is working. Volvo full start of electrification (even mild hybrids are included) in 2019. Not much different to FCA plan for Maserati.Volvo ; all electric , starting 2019.
Euro 6D will only implement the 6dTEMP standards before 2021, and they still aren't implementing Temp in their primary Euro Wrangler markets until fall of the 2.2's next year at the earliest, and right now the 2.2 is basically 1/4 and 1/2 of the required 6dt / 6d levels, so even if it tripled under RDE they'd have 3 years to add a solution like LP-EGR to lower it further.It's a Euro 6b compliant. Euro 6d is different because it adds RDE test.
You should contact FCA about that.IMO, it does not make much sense.
Sure, why not? If it's good enough for the Germans towards Americans, why not Americans doing it to Germans?Our argue here is Euro 6d TEMP and Euro 6d which is more related to diesels. For both they will need SCR. Or they will cheat like VW did in US?
Again, perhaps you should contact FCA, obviously they don't understand your concerns and haven't taken any of this into consideration.This kind of car in Europe is attractive only with diesel.
Uh, that would be nice if Germans want to buy a Jeep but usually they do not have such a habits.Sure, why not? If it's good enough for the Germans towards Americans, why not Americans doing it to Germans?
As I said. Current versions of 2.2 diesel, both cast iron and aluminium block, are Euro 6b compliant. They could and they achieved it with low and high pressure EGR loops and NSC.Also, you have a false assumption that it alreasy hasn't passed, which is simply defeatism on your part.
Look at RDE performance of 2.2 diesels from Fiat. They are one of the worst and nowhere near Euro 6d compliance.Current NOX levels on the Cherokee are way below the requirements using lab methods, so even if they more than tripled in RDE testing scenario (despite the 2x expectation giving a 2.1 factor), they'd be fine, and FCA would already know this, and test it. Which again is the point, they already have an engine in situ no need for another.
Send your CV to FCA. And explain them how they know nothing and how is waste of time and money to develop Euro 6d engines with SCR.DEF is not a requirement, it's a method, and if they can do it already with just storage, adding LP-EGR is simple and better than dealing with DEF, so it's unlikely they will push for SCR if they can avoid it.
Yes, EU market could be small but Jeep here is selling at premium.However, and more importantly Europe gets what they get, that market isn't worth the limited next gen 3.0 production, nor making efforts on another engine just for that market.
Considering how small the Euro market is and the cost of shipping vehicles there, any added barriers aren't worth it for a small % of production so the diesel can go to the other export markets.